La Tromba T2 valve oil - new as good as the old?

[cmac3317]

Hi, I've tried a bunch of valve oils over the past few years (though not nearly all of the popular brands), and La Tromba T2 (the older kind, without the "AG" or Swiss flag on the front) has been my favorite by far. If you're a La Tromba T2 user and you've tried both the old and new kinds, I'm just wondering if you've noticed any differences. Are they pretty much the same product? Thanks!
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[LittleRusty]

Have you seen this thread?

A thread about Tromba mess

[cmac3317]

That didn't show up in my search for some reason... Thanks!
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[LittleRusty]

No problem. It stuck in my memory so I just paged back through the index.

[SHS_Trumpet]

I use it on some of my horns and I sitll have half a bottle of the old stuff. I haven't really noticed any difference. I think it's just as good if not better than the original. Make sure you read all the way to the end of that post that was linked because the new manufacturers come on and clears up the misinformation put out by a TH member who used to import/sell the old stuff!
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[Maarten van Weverwijk]

No doubt the new oil is at least as good as the old (I now have both old and new).
Ignor the rumours and buy without fear.
http://www.la-tromba.ch/index_en.html

FWIW,
the new bottle has a much thinner and longer neck which makes it easier to see what you are doing.
Not important, but nice nonetheless.
http://www.la-tromba.ch/images/produkte/large_1024x614/55200_02.jpg

MvW.

[razeontherock]

So if the new T2 Company is "the real deal," who is the US distributor? They have all sorts of cool products; brass polish, lacquer polish, cork and slide grease, T3 ...

[kandor]

Since the old brand was taken over by the Stölzel company, I find that the oil formulas have been improved, both T1 and T2. Never tried the T3, yet.
More specifically, T1 and T2 feel more slippery and lasting longer.
But there's always a price to pay... the bottle is worse than before, dropping too much oil even if you don't squeeze it at all.
At least these are my impressions.
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[bach_again]

I use the T2 exclusively. By far my favourite oil.

T1 is a little slow on my new valves and there's something about T3 I didn't like but maybe my horn needed a bath so I'll try it again.

Excellent product!
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[Irving]

Kandor, you are correct about the bottles. It is the nozzle that has a larger hole, so more oil comes out. The solution? Take the nozzle off of an old bottle, and put it on the new bottle. Problem solved.

[razeontherock]

So these nozzles will come out intact then? Meaning we can refill them from a larger size; buying those has to be more economical.

From the "old" T2 I have, the main thing I like about it is how incredibly long it lasts. Nothing ever seizes and if anything sticks, it's always been because I've used the same oiling so long there's dirt to clean, rather than because it dried out. So if the new stuff somehow lasts even longer? I find that an impressive claim.

The only downside (to me) is I have some horns that liked a thinner oil better. So the "T3" might prove to be superior on those horns. Worth a try, even if I have to use a little of both T2 and T3 to be happy.

I notice that their website says T1 is "with silicone," but doesn't say that about T2 or T3. Some people selling it in the US say T2 and T3 are silicone based. Hmmm ...

I'm a bit finicky about trying to make sure everything I use on a horn is "compatible." I don't really know that any of these valve oils would have any issue at all with any of the slide lubes or tuning slide grease I use, but avoiding on-stage hassles is well worth the price of a little tub of grease. They don't make anything specifically named as great for first and third valve slides, but I wonder if some of their stuff does the trick anyway? Their P3 trombone slide oil perhaps? Their F1 or F2 cork and slide grease probably does very well with a tuning slide, even if it is less than a snug fit.

Anyway I'm just glad T2 is back!

[Irving]

The nozzles come off of both the old bottles and the new ones. When you put an old nozzle on a new bottle, the cap doesn't screw on all the way. But it still closes, so you don't need to keep using the new nozzles and wasting oil. Of course you can just empty a new bottle into any other bottle. This way seems to be the easiest. A pair of needle nose pliers is useful for getting the nozzles off.

Denis Wick oil, the expensive brand I forgot what it's called also comes with a large nozzle which makes the bottle last a short time. Not a trend to be admired.

[bazlith222]

Dear sirs,
our factory is in hochdorf / switzerland
and we have distributors in germany, in austria, in france .......
best regards

La Tromba AG Hochdorf
This is the reply I got back from La Tromba valve oil when I inquired about whether or not they had moved to Germany or if there was an old oil or new oil and which was better. They haven't moved and the oil has never changed. trumpet herald I have surmised is full of conspiracy theorists or something. I got this oil for the first time when it came with the Carol Brass trumpet that I bought. It is very good oil

[delano]

I have a small bottle of La Tromba T2 valve oil special that's made by Chemical Works Schachen Ltd. Kriens-Lucerne Switzerland.
Excellent oil, no Swiss flag.

[LittleRusty]