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Robert P
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:11 pm    Post subject: Ever tried a famous player's horn and hated it? Reply with quote

Ever had the chance to play an instrument a famous player used - past or present - and thought "what a dog - how do/did they sound so good on it??"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I briefly owned a C trumpet made by Calicchio (crazy huh?) for a major jazz soloist from yesteryear. For me, it was terrible in pretty much every possible way! Probably just goes to show how differently we can approach the horn...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a horn, but I tried out a mouthpiece Ray Triscary gave me and my lips were bleeding before an upcoming gig was over. They also swelled up. FOR ME absolutely worthless.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if you'd consider him famous, but I played on Charlie Schlueter's big, heavy C a few times (Raja or whatever it's called). Piece of junk.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep.

Circa 1992, when Wynton was touring with his traditional jazz group. He was also playing the Monette horn that weighed close to (to me) about 7 lbs. it was also one of the first with the integral mouthpiece/lead pipe.

I was the trumpet instructor at U. of California Riverside. Wynton et al were performing in the PAC on campus. I attended the 1st of 2 concerts that night. Went to the Green Room to meet him. A bunch of the brass students were huddled in a corner. I says "Y'all should go talk with him" & they said no, we're too intimidated.

So I go up, introduce myself & said all those shaky-types in the corner were afraid to talk with you. He said "Yeah...I was wondering about that."

His horn was on a counter next to him. I'm looking at it & he says "Play it if you'd like."

So I'm standing next to Wynton, all the students are watching me, and I pick up a horn that I had no idea weighed as much as it did. Seriously - my hand was shaking from the weight. The LAST thing I wanted to to was damage his horn.

Played a few really terrible notes on it, put it back down and said "You sound much better on it than I do."

That's not a criticism of the horn - he made it sound great. Maybe in a different setting or if I'd been better prepared for the bulk of the horn, which quite honestly was all I was thinking about, it could have been more successful for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trpthrld wrote:
Played a few really terrible notes on it, put it back down and said "You sound much better on it than I do."

Interesting. A pro classical player I'm acquainted with said they tried Wynton's Monette - not sure if it was the same one you tried - at some get-together with him and said they hated it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had famous players try my horn. They always give it back. Hah! Just kidding but really, saying some famous players horn is terrible is one of those things that has no meaning.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hated? No... but I tried Wayne's horns, and they don't fit my playing style. I wouldn't buy one. They're great for Wayne, though. Never had much liking for the Bach 37, either, so...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the opposite happen. I've had a well known pro offer to buy a flugelhorn I used to own. The same player asked to buy my friend's Kanstul-restored Benge CG.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NMex wrote:
Just kidding but really, saying some famous players horn is terrible is one of those things that has no meaning.
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I seem to be very contrary today, sorry about that.

But I disagree about it having no meaning. One thing one can take away is that not every horn is right for everyone. Too often we see people fixated on the greatís equipment thinking that if they had the same equipment they too could be monster players.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be contrary but that was sort of my point.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dislike ten lb. trumpets before I even pick them up. I have mandrels at work that are that heavy, but I only have to lift them into a vise. That's long enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember trying Ghitalla's C/D Tottle horn and was amazed how terrific he could make it sound- my results were a little less stunning
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of but not really....

In the early 80's I took lessons from a guy who, years before, had played with Doc in NY at NBC. He had a Getzen Severinsen that he said Doc picked out for him. Nicest blowing horn I ever played - smooth, like a hot knife through butter.

I kind of figured Doc played a bunch of them at the factory and set the best ones to the side and that this was just a great specimen of trumpet.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit reversed, but Sonny Cohn borrowed and played my Bach Bb on a concert with the Basie Orch. here in Sweden in the late 80's when his own horn broke down before the concert.

Later in the evening, he let me play his book in the dance gig following after the concert.

will NEVER forget it!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yourbrass wrote:
I dislike ten lb. trumpets before I even pick them up. I have mandrels at work that are that heavy, but I only have to lift them into a vise. That's long enough.


I KNOW that's right.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked on a few "famous" players horns and tested them: a Getzen/CB pic for Fred Mills, a Bach C for Bernie Adelstein. Good horns.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got some time with one of the horns Harry James put some miles on -- exhaustingly open.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry this is 180 degrees off topic, but Jake loaned me his Selmer Picc for my grad. recital. It was freaking amazing! It was a 3 valve. I made a kicker for the 3rd valve to help intonation.

Jake said he went to his mailbox one morning and found the picc in there. Selmer had just sent it to him to see how he liked it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike ansberry wrote:
Sorry this is 180 degrees off topic, but Jake loaned me his Selmer Picc for my grad. recital. It was freaking amazing! It was a 3 valve. I made a kicker for the 3rd valve to help intonation.

Jake said he went to his mailbox one morning and found the picc in there. Selmer had just sent it to him to see how he liked it.


Who's Jake?
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