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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:12 am    Post subject: Strange sensations in the throat Reply with quote

Hello everybody,

I have start playing again a month ago, and I have weird sensation in the throat, like when you breathe in when you snore. Its really annoying. I think its become my throat is too contracted, but I don't know how to relax it when I play. Any ideas ?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the time, or just when you play high and loud? What happens when you play a soft 2nd-line G, for example?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you may be vocalizing. I get this when my tongue is too far back and it creates a glottal stop. Try moving your tongue forward in your mouth to open your throat.

Here are some other discussions that may help. https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atrumpetherald.com+%7Egrunt

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dstdenis wrote:
All the time, or just when you play high and loud? What happens when you play a soft 2nd-line G, for example?


I have a hard time to figure out when it happens. Its seems kind of random. But it happens more often when I play high and loud, but it happens also when I hold a soft note or when I do scales.

oxleyk wrote:
Sounds like you may be vocalizing. I get this when my tongue is too far back and it creates a glottal stop. Try moving your tongue forward in your mouth to open your throat.

Here are some other discussions that may help. https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atrumpetherald.com+%7Egrunt


I will try that and read the others posts. Also I tried to sing while playing to open the throat, maybe it was conter-productive.

Thank you again !

EDIT : I just play. It really seems completly random. Also I perfectly feel it, and Im not sure if others can heard it.
My tongue already feel forward, so I don't know how to move it forward. Maybe I unconsiously move it back sometimes.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't play into the range where this problem starts, and don't play at the louder volumes where this problem starts. You are rebuilding the feel of how to play. Basically you are building habits now. If you constantly play into the range that is difficult for you, you will just reinforce the habit of tensing up your vocal muscles, rear of tongue and/or soft palate muscles.

Just be patient, and play in the lower to mid comfortable register for now at low, easy volume levels. This will build GOOD habits. If the music goes too high, just take it down an octave.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest you don't make a conscious effort to open your throat wide when you play, but just leave it alone. If you feel it getting tense and closing up, then stop and let it relax. Breathing exercises might help.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your answers.
I take careful note of your advices.

I played several times this afternoon, easy stuff. It looks like it happens while tonguing. So the tongue block the air ? What to do ?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake had a lot to say about tongue, throat and the "valsalvo maneuver." :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxpvHGq0VAk

Try using whispering vowel sylabels: Haaa, hooo, haiiii, heeee, hisssss
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