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Do you do isometrics? |
Yes! They're fantastic! |
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Yeah. They've helped a bit. |
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No! They're terrible. |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: Isometrics |
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Do you do isometrics? What kind?
When do you do them? Every day? Before practice, after practice?
What effects do you find they have on your playing?
I'm really interested to hear input on this, no matter the opinion. |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think there's a middleground that's missing here... "Maybe - under the right circumstances and done properly"
Like anything, I think there's too much of a good thing and sometimes they're simply not necessary while others they might be helpful for a while... And sometimes even regularly.
I don't think it's purely a matter of them universally good or bad |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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What do you mean by isometrics? _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Avan Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Ive been using " Leon Merion's "---> Trumpet Isometrics Book for many years and it has payed dividends ten fold. _________________ 1948 Selmer GP
" Man Without an Audience "
Album Release - 2017
" Mi Vida es Una Cancion "
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trumpet56 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | What do you mean by isometrics? |
A definition: An isometric exercise is a form of exercise involving the static contraction of a muscle. I guess it is another name for long tones. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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trumpet56 wrote: | PH wrote: | What do you mean by isometrics? |
A definition: An isometric exercise is a form of exercise involving the static contraction of a muscle. I guess it is another name for long tones. |
Oh. I would have assumed the OP was referring to the PETE or the pencil exercise or something. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Lionel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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My particular version of an isometric has been so damned handy I almost feel like it's cheating. So helpful its like it gives me the full sound of a 3C mouthpiece but while I'm really playing on a very shallow piece.
I tape two pencils end to end. Stabilize the sections with a wooden coffee stirrer. Joins the two eraser ends with black electrical tape. Because a stirrer is light. Place double pencil between lips, hold at a slight angle above parallel to the floor. This exercise though twice the weight and length of a single pencil is perhaps 10x harder than the single pencil isometric.
Now? Just gradually work it up to two minutes. Later 3 minutes. At 3:00 minutes "hangtime" you should be able to play near the highest note of your range without jamming or anything more than normal contact arm pressure.. It' ll take six months to a year to work up to it.
In my case however it almost always assures that I'll have enough endurance to get through the most taxing of engagements. _________________ "Check me if I'm wrong Sandy but if I kill all the golfers they're gonna lock me up & throw away the key"!
Carl Spackler (aka Bill Murray, 1980). |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | https://qpress.ca/product/trumpet-isometrics-leon-merian-pdf/
"Corners firm, chops flat, Air On!" Leon Merian RIP |
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Why not the BE:s the Lip Clamp, also called the "mean old man" look!
Helps me. Miraculously powerful. Only problem is not forgetting to do it. Or overdoing it.
Mr Smiley recommends doing it once a day. To those interested I can really recommend the entire method. Kinda revolutionised my playing. To my understanding lots of isometric ingredients. _________________ Cornets:
Getzen Custom Series Schilke 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
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King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:16 am Post subject: |
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trumpet56 wrote: | PH wrote: | What do you mean by isometrics? |
A definition: An isometric exercise is a form of exercise involving the static contraction of a muscle. I guess it is another name for long tones. | Would've been nice to let the OP answer for him/her/itself as to what is being refered to as "isometrics" in this case... I see the OP hasn't been back yet- another drive-by posting. |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Sorry. I thought I posted my response. Evidently I didn't. I was referring to PETE, lip clamp, pencil exercise, etc. Thanks |
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 May 2013 Posts: 2123 Location: Atlanta GA
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:42 am Post subject: |
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My response isn't a choice in the poll: I think isometrics can be helpful, I believe other reputable players who've said they do them and they've been helpful, I've tried them (PETE), but I don't do them now because I'm focused on other things that are more important for developing my playing right now.
I also think they can be harmful if done incorrectly, but that doesn't turn me against them. If you want to do them, just do them correctly. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:27 am Post subject: |
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trumpet56 wrote: | PH wrote: | What do you mean by isometrics? |
A definition: An isometric exercise is a form of exercise involving the static contraction of a muscle. I guess it is another name for long tones. |
Long tones do not involve static contractions of muscles. The air is moving. The muscles are moving. |
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Well, if your muscles are moving while playing a long tone, you probably aren't doing it right. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:58 am Post subject: |
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My muscles move when I practice long tones. I'm gradually blowing air through the horn, so my breathing muscles are moving slowly.
I start long tones as soft as possible, crescendo to a nice full sound, then decrescendo to end the note as soft as possible. This requires a gradual, gentle flexing and relaxing movement around the embouchure to control the sound and keep the note in tune. I've found the development of this skill to be one of the key benefits of practicing long tones for me, and one I can't get any other way besides practicing long tones. I use this kind of control during rehearsals and performances all the time.
I also get some wavering in my sound during long tones, which isn't correct, but that's one reason I practice them, to make them smoother and more even. I've improved this a lot since I began working on these as part of my daily routine, but I still have a way to go. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
Cornet Getzen Custom 3850S
Flugelhorn Courtois 155R
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rufflicks Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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You do not have a, "Nope don't do them" button.
I don't think they are good or bad so... _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/Rufftips
Remember this is supposed to be fun. |
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MikeyZ Regular Member
Joined: 19 Feb 2017 Posts: 14 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:01 am Post subject: Isometrics |
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Yes ,very good for endurance. I do the mpc shank Brisbois thing, then the pencil ex. and my thing, the pencil length wise between the lips rolled in. Done in the a.m. for 2 min. each. Great for the lip corners /embouchure support. _________________ My Gear: 1984 Yamaha Trumpet YTR6340ST #001152 with a curry 5Z.mpc.and 1921 C.G.Conn Wonder Vocal Cornet C/Bb/A (Williams Winnipeg Engraved on bell) with 14B4 mpc. |
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