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What range do principals of major orchestras need?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy Sargent wrote:


Malcolm McNab - LA studios
- Im honestly not sure Malcolm has a limit on his upper register (just listen to his Tchaikovsky concerto recording) I’ve personally heard E above double C come out of his bell during lessons and the man can play anything


At first I though "Did Tchaikovsky write a trumpet concerto?" Then I search for it. I've heard the violin concerto in D many times, but never like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFRvv4Jqi-0

Amazing. Thank you for sharing.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trmptgvl wrote:
Troy Sargent wrote:


Malcolm McNab - LA studios
- Im honestly not sure Malcolm has a limit on his upper register (just listen to his Tchaikovsky concerto recording) I’ve personally heard E above double C come out of his bell during lessons and the man can play anything


At first I though "Did Tchaikovsky write a trumpet concerto?" Then I search for it. I've heard the violin concerto in D many times, but never like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFRvv4Jqi-0

Amazing. Thank you for sharing.



Ya both his cds are must haves he's an incredible musician
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The highest written notes in popular pieces that I am aware of are the concert F in Bach's 2nd Brandenburg Concerto and the concert Eb in Mahler's 8th Symphony, both directly above high C. I would play them on Bb piccolo and Bb or Eb respectively. Tonguing a high F on Bb is more comfortable than tonguing an Eb on C. I have never practiced it on an Eb trumpet but I imagine playing it as a high C would be choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that's an impressive range NE! Well played!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another term for a stove is "range."

We've seen arguments from both sides stating what different opinions are and specific examples that seem to refute each others' ideas.

While a strong high range is inevitable with proper technique and good fitness as a player, in the end it doesn't really matter what the range of principal players is since so few players will ever sit in the principal chair.

I think he was trying to add a little levity to the situation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least we know what sort of range one principal (Richard) has!

range
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noun
noun: range; plural noun: ranges
1.
the area of variation between upper and lower limits on a particular scale.
"the cost is thought to be in the range of $1-5 million a day"
synonyms: span, scope, compass, sweep, extent, area, field, orbit, ambit, horizon, latitude; More
the scope of a person's knowledge or abilities.
"he gave some indication of his range"
the compass of a person's voice or of a musical instrument.
"she was gifted with an incredible vocal range"
the extent of time covered by something such as a forecast.
the area or extent covered by or included in something.
"an introductory guide to the range of debate this issue has generated"
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6.
an electric or gas stove with several burners and one or more ovens.
synonyms: stove, oven
"she put the dish into the range"
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Herman rev2 wrote:
At least we know what sort of range one principal (Richard) has!

Well, I'm not principal trumpet of a major orchestra so... my range is smaller.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say a golf range. To relax after all the pressure of not cracking a single note!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

600 yards minimum/1000 even better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXoCaqTEUhQ
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a Principal trumpet player playing the notes in front of him....


https://www.facebook.com/groups/SightsNSoundsTSA/permalink/1602023763177902/
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a.kemp wrote:
Here is a Principal trumpet player playing the notes in front of him....


https://www.facebook.com/groups/SightsNSoundsTSA/permalink/1602023763177902/


Great! Thanks for the link.
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