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jicetp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:56 am Post subject: B&S 3137 |
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Are these trumpets good ?
I think there are two generations with the same numbers.
I am looking for an ' orchestral' type horn but am on a budget, and I found some B&S meeting my $$.
Any input ?
thanks
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fredo Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2011 Posts: 588 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Hi, i'm not a B&S specialist but they seem to offer 2 lines :
3137 Challenger II : pro
3137 challenger I : intermediate
And if i understand well, 2 generations of Challenger 2 + the Thierry Caens one.
They are on Thomann's site. _________________ Frederic FELTZ
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:17 am Post subject: |
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As near as I've been able to assess between the B&S Challenger I and II, the greatest differences are the bell and 3rd slide stop, while the other components are common. It appears the Challenger I has a lighter bell than the Challenger II and both bells are hand hammered one piece (single seam) "Stradivarius" style bells.
Here's a brief story of a customer that came into our store with the intention of purchasing a Bach Stradivarius. After playing both Bach 180S37 and B&S Challenger I, he chose the B&S trumpet. His decision was not driven by price, he simply felt more comfortable and sounded better on the Challenger I. Going to show that price is not the only driving force in selecting a new trumpet.
Our trumpet selection is available here to review http://www.osmun.com/instruments.html?cat=237
I hope this is helpful. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
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Irving Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Jim, would you know if the venturi of the mouthpiece receiver on the same on the Challenger 1 and 2? If so what are they and if not what are the different measurements? I heard that the leadpipes are a bit different, but don't know for sure. |
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Vince.Green Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I just switched to a B&S Challenger 1 after years on Bach and Yamaha. To me the 1 series feels like it fits right between a Bach 37 and 37*. I'm not sure about the intermediate vs pro line, the quality and playability leads me to believe they're just two different models. Regardless, nice horns. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:02 am Post subject: Re: B&S 3137 |
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jicetp wrote: | Are these trumpets good ?
I think there are two generations with the same numbers.
I am looking for an ' orchestral' type horn but am on a budget, and I found some B&S meeting my $$.
Any input ?
thanks
JICe |
A while back I bought my son a used 3137. I don't now recall if it's the I or II. It's a very well made horn. And it plays very well. I think it's better than some Bach 37s I've played but not as good as others.
I wouldn't call it an orchestral horn. Not because it couldn't be used for such, I just don't think it's a particularly specialized horn. I would think this model would be good in a variety of situations. With a Bach 5C my high school freshman son has no trouble playing with a bigger sound than his section mates.
Given a choice I'd probably favor a good playing Bach but I'd expect to play a good deal more for one. If price is an object I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the B&S. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Irving, you might be right about the mouthpipes being different. Honestly, we don't see many of the Challenger II trumpets in our shop so I can't say. Next time I get one in for service I'll measure the venturi to be better informed on any differences that exist.
Vince, the lighter bell of the Challenger I would explain why you found it to play between a standard weight Bach 18037 and LT18037. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US
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Irving Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Jim. I have 2 Challenger ones. One is standard with an after market tuning crook that works well. The other has a NY Bach bell that I had laying around. They are solid horns. I live far away from any decent music shop so I bought these horns on ebay in Europe back when these horns were dirt cheap. I've also bought Bach Bbs after having bought the Challengers, but I seem to always buy the dogs, so the Bachs have always been resold while I've kept the Challengers. I doubt that the Challenger 2 with it's heavy bell is any better that the Challenger 1, unless you want that sort of thicker heavier sound. The leadpipe might be more open as wellbut I can't say for sure. Try them out next to a Bach, although with the big price increase the Bach will have a better resale value. |
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Goldplate Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have a B&S 3136 C trumpet, but I don't know if it is a Challenger 1 or 2. I think it has a JH leadpipe, but I don't know how that differs from their standard leadpipe. It plays very well. I would consider purchasing 3137 if I were in the market for a B-flat and could try it out. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8331 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Goldplate wrote: | I have a B&S 3136 C trumpet, but I don't know if it is a Challenger 1 or 2. I think it has a JH leadpipe, but I don't know how that differs from their standard leadpipe. It plays very well. I would consider purchasing 3137 if I were in the market for a B-flat and could try it out. |
The JH leadpipe was the Jouko Harjanne model leadpipe. I have one as well. I don't know how it compares to the Bach leadpipes. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Nikoloas17 Regular Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Posts: 58 Location: Gladstone, OR
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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We have a Challenger II here at the shop I work in, and it's gotten pretty positive feedback from the players who've come through testing the horns. I've tried it a couple times, feels similar in some ways to a Bach 37, but not quite the same. It has a good sound to it, so if the player is comfortable on it, I'd say it's a good option to think about. _________________ Horns:
1994 Bach Stradivarius 43LR
Lidl Brno Bb Rotary Trumpet
Lidl Brno Bb Rotary Flugelhorn
Benge 5 Piccolo Trumpet
Mouthpieces:
Marcinkiewicz 6/10.5C
Monette B2
Monette B6LVS1
Yamaha 14E4
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