Choosing my new "magic" shallow mouthpiece

CJceltics33 · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475

So I don't have spectacular range. However, I've been working very hard on building it. High D is the usual ceiling. But with my added strength I've gained from building my chops I can squeak pretty high. I play on a GR 64M and a Curry 3c. However, on Wednesday, I tried a friend's Patrick CR5ZM and was able to play and sustain a Double G with ease. Not a squeak...a note. I checked the numbers:
My GR is .64 inches
Curry is .665
The Patrick is .652

The Patrick is also near the depth of the GR.

I'd just get the Patrick, but I hate the rim. Much too sharp for my liking. Do you recommend I have Curry custom the same mouthpiece but with their rim? Custom Patrick with a different, rounder rim?

And also, why did this mouthpiece work so well for me?

Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

Patrick has some very comfortable Jettone inspired rims. I'm sure he could make you a custom piece to your liking.

Why did it work? Between you and the mouthpiece, there are too many variables to comment.

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Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

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B. Scriver · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:38 pm Post subject:

Where does Patrick take their cup diameter measurement?
Do you like the GR 64M rim?
What horn do you play and do you have a gap measurement?
Have you tried 64MS, 64M-B, 64S-B, 64S?

Send us a video of you play testing the three mouthpieces if you wish. I can even send you some play test exercises.

Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com

JVL · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:58 am Post subject:

hello
why not contact Patrick, explain your problematic, and see with him if he can offer a rim alteration or a new mpc customized with the rim contour you'd like?
best

Locutus2k · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:22 am Post subject:

Do you like the rim and feel of the Curry 3C? Ask Curry to make a 3C with a 28 hole and 50s backbore. You'll be surprised. In a hurry? Buy a Curry 3C cup and a Curry 50s Backbore and try it out (on mouthpieceexpress they offer Curry standalone cups and backbores).
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CJceltics33 · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475

Thanks very much for the replies! I think what I am going to do is weigh the costs and pick from there. I've emailed Patrick and am awaiting a response. Trouble with that is I don't know if I'd like their JT rim either. I'm picky with rims. Anyone know the cost of a Curry custom?

Brian: I do like the rim of the GR. Unfortunately I haven't tried any of those pieces. Although I'd love to.

CJceltics33 · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475

If I find the time, I will take a trip to Dillons and see whether it was purely the throat/bore combination that worked for me or the diameter along with that.

Mark Bradley · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:50 am Post subject:

That GR 64M is a very nice mouthpiece and is what I play but I feel your pain regarding the quest for high notes. It's a never ending battle (for some of us at least). I was experimenting with a Laskey 50S and it's one of the best sounding moderately shallow mouthpieces I've played but I've found if I remember to stick with chop technique fundamentals I end up better off with the 64M in the long run.
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B. Scriver · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:16 am Post subject:

JVL · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:02 am Post subject:

If you like softer rim and bite, Marcinkiewicz are great great to me

trumpet.trader · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Jul 2017 Posts: 200

New mouthpieces have a “honeymoon” period when you first get to playing on it. You may get a little more range at first or a little different sound or flexibility.

Then reality of muscle memory and adjustment sets in. After getting used to the new piece you’ll inevitably revert back to where you were before you started with regard to range, flexibility and overall playability.

It took me many years and countless mouthpiece purchases to figure that out. There’s nothing wrong with experimenting and sometimes you get lucky or get closer to a sound you’re looking for and maybe some added endurance. But no mouthpiece will ever give or add any extended range in my experience.

Locutus2k · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:16 am Post subject:

CJceltics33 · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475

Less in cost or quality? And it shouldn't be too extravagant. Maybe a gold rim though because that's super cool.

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cbtj51 · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:23 pm Post subject:

trumpet.trader · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Jul 2017 Posts: 200

CJceltics33 · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475

thank you all for the feedback!

JVL · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:23 am Post subject:

I don't agree with that so called "honeymoon period", after which you 'd go back to your previous playing/issues.
Every time i found the right adjustments that a mpc offered me, my playing improved. It has been true for my ID, rim width and contour and shape, same about throat and bb.

So don't be afraid to match the mpcs specs with your physic. Said that, practicing in the smarter and more efficient way is not optional, we all have to !
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