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museltof
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:37 am    Post subject: Hi There! Reply with quote

I played trumpet back in the 60s and 70s, now after an amazing 42 years I am playing a cornet at age 72. It is coming, but gradually.
Back then I could play a jazz solo on a tune but never worked out the chords. If it sounded 'right' I played it.
Right now any comeback advice would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great news that you have returned to the horn! Find a teacher to review embouchure and other aspects so you won't practice bad habits. Then just practice and enjoy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the encouragement.
I have only been back practising for about 2 weeks and made good progress.
I am trying to expand my range again but I fear it will take some while. Sometimes even the 'E' above middle C is a struggle! Any good tips on moving ahead with endurance and range?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

museltof wrote:
Any good tips on moving ahead with endurance and range?

Yes, focus on playing across the range you do have with ease and good form. Over time, your range will expand and endurance will improve while you maintain good form. If you focus too much on attempting to play notes outside your current range, you run the risk of learning bad habits and picking up bad form (what Franquin called "breaking your embouchure," apparently a common problem for beginners even back then!).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks. Yes, this is the path I will follow; it's just good sense.
Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an excellent book...
EMBOUCHURE BUILDER.
by Lowell Little.
It would be good to practice
out of on a daily basis to help
develop your embouchure.
Also, it would be good to practice
some etudes that are not too
strenuous.
First Book of Practical Studies
by Robert getchell would be good
for this.
Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ great books, and advice.

Also check out Hickman’s 100 Progressive Lessons book:
https://www.hickmanmusiceditions.com/select2.asp?selection=36
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a Comeback Trumpet player as well, about 3 1/2 years in now! I never planned on playing again and actually gave one of my trumpets to a friend. A call from a new Music Intern at my Church changed all of that!!! I hadn't played for 14 years and when I came back, I approached the trumpet like I hadn't played for just a few days. Then I jumped right in to performing in public. I got away with it, but I must say, that approach created a lot of set backs that took a while to resolve. With help from several Trumpet Player friends, I did a reboot and began approaching the right way. Much slower, but much better.

This is a link to a thread from this past year: https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144382

Best Wishes,

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks to all of you for your advice. Much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am 81 and playing ( 2 years now ) after a 50+ year hiatus. You already got some good advice here. Range and endurance take time, but they come. What worked best for me was hooking up with a community band as soon as I was good enough ( in my case 7 months after I started playing again ). There is nothing like playing with other musicians.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also play "What sounds right" even as I work on understand theory and chords. If you need playalongs, of course, there are the wonderful Aebersold books. https://www.learnjazzstandards.com/index-of-jazz-standards/ is another resource.

Playing with others was critical to my comeback. I started with our senior center band. Look for a New Horizons group http://newhorizonsmusic.org/new-horizons-groups/. That led from a gray-haired concert band playing middle school band music to a full big band simply because I said to a tenor player, "Can we work on jazz improv with your teacher?"


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, that band sounds great! Are you in that band?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

conn53victor wrote:


Playing with others was critical to my comeback. I started with our senior center band. Look for a New Horizons group http://newhorizonsmusic.org/new-horizons-groups/. That led from a gray-haired concert band playing middle school band music to a full big band simply because I said to a tenor player, "Can we work on jazz improv with your teacher?"


I've been with the local Horizons group for going on 3 years now. It was and still is great. It has opened the door to other opportunities as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

museltof wrote:
Hey, that band sounds great! Are you in that band?


Thanks! Yes, Smith Studio Jazz started with me asking a tenor player to work together on improv in 2009.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best advice I have as a "comeback player" it to have fun with playing. Don't get all upset, worked up, annoyed, etc... with playing as it will get you discouraged.

Play some pop tunes, melodies of well known songs you hear on the radio, even if you're just tinkering around, trying to play it by ear. It will help get you relaxed, amused, and thinking positive about getting your chops back.

I started trumpet in 4th grade in school and played all through school band until I graduated. Then in my adult years, after serving a career in the US Coast Guard, I returned to the trumpet after many years of not playing. It took quite a while, and I'm still learning new techniques with breathing, embouchure, and long tones. If I can do it, you can do it!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the advice I would give myself if I was starting my comeback again:

Rest as much as you play during practice period and stop play when you get fatigued and start to loose form. This will allow you to practice longer and help prevent bad habits.

There are no magic note or books. They all require work. However, the ones I would recommend are the following:

- Clarke Technical Studies (free if you look on the Web)
- Embouchure Builder (previously mentioned) When you are done with EB above move on to Irons 27 Groups of exercises.
- A comprehensive scale method (if you are going to play jazz). Scale Force by Rich Willey or Know Your Trumpet by Lowell Little. The Boptism website has Scales for Improvisation by Chris Friederich for free. You can also start with scales and intervals out of the Arban. (Arban is Free on the web)
-Buy an easy Etude book. Getchell's First Book of Practical Studies or one from Sigmund Herring.

Routine:

I would start with Clarke study number 1 and play the exercises you can play without straining. Once you can play an exercise without straining add the next one. When you are done with Study 1, move to study 2. etc.

Start with the first exercise in Embouchure Builder. Once you can play it without straining add another one.

Run your 12 major scales every day. Focus on one key every week and play exercises in that key out of the scale book.

Pick one etude and perfect it each week. Sight read a new etude each day.
Play music of some sort each day.

Practice every day even if it for only 5 or 10 minutes. Anything is better than nothing.

Oh, and get a few private lessons. It will get you started on the right foot and prevent frustration.

Like Butch said. Number 1 advice is have fun. We are not doing this for a living. Find a band to play in as soon as you can.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of free stuff here: https://bolvinmusic.com/free-stuff/

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I am indeed taking advantage of that marvellous free stuff, although some I have not yet advanced enough to play. A few things I also recall from my old trumpet playing days.

Robin.
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OK. Start here: https://bolvinmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/bolvinmusic-freedownloads-schlossburg-warm-up-1.pdf

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