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Bulgakov Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:29 pm Post subject: Methodical book for newer player |
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I was reading through this thread on good beginner's books:
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145908
and got to thinking about my own learning.
I have Arbans, and I've downloaded the Schlossberg and Clarke and many of the classic method books, and I purchased Eric Bolvin's Arban study book.
However, is there a recommended book out there for an adult learner that takes you through a methodical progression? I've got lessons restarting in February, but it would be great to have something with a set plan that I can work through and then get correction and advice with my teacher (and that set plan may include dipping into the aforementioned Arban etc, but I don't feel I am anywhere near a point where I can dip into those books without some real direction). I'm also the type of learner who does well with a set plan from A to B--be it learning Italian from books and tapes or learning software on Lynda.com.
Among books mentioned were:
100 Progressive Lessons for Trumpet for the Beginning or Comeback Player
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Bill Knevitt's Getting Started Right on Trumpet and The Developing Trumpet Player.
Also, what about the Claude Gordon method for a newer player. I get the impression that really needs to be done with a teacher well-versed in his teachings.
So, thoughts?
FYI: I've been playing for about 2 years. I currently play in a community orchestra and an intermediate brass band. A grade C band, as they classify them here in New Zealand. My goal is between methods and teacher to nip any bad habits in the bud now. I'm 47, and like everybody, there are only so many hours in the day. I don't care if the book takes 8 years to get through. I'm not looking for a quick fix, but I do want to be as productive and efficient as I can with my practice time.
Thank you as always for your advice. |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | However, is there a recommended book out there for an adult learner that takes you through a methodical progression? |
The best method I have come across is the four-volume "Mitchell on Trumpet" by Harold "Pappy" Mitchell.
Each book is broken down into lessons that comprehensively address trumpet playing: tone and attack, flexibility, scales & chords, lyrical playing, etc.
There are a total of 82 lessons covering the spectrum from complete beginner to very advanced-level playing.
The books are widely available in print (Santorella Publications is the publisher), or electronically from qpress.ca.
Quote: | Also, what about the Claude Gordon method for a newer player. |
Claude Gordon's "Physical Approach to Elementary Brass Playing" is a very useful book for a developing player, but not a method by itself. Between it, Arban and Clarke you'd have some great material to work with, but would likely need your teacher to help you put solid lessons together.
Several students of Claude Gordon offer lessons via Skype: Bruce Haag, John Mohan, Jeff Purtle....
Good luck! |
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:47 am Post subject: |
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The Mitchell books have a great reputation and can be purchased and downloaded through qPress. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Hickman's 100 Progressive Lessons and Mitchell on Trumpet both do that. I have copies of both. I'd say that Hickman's book starts easier and progresses at a more moderate pace than the Mitchell book. For a beginner, that's a smart idea. They're both good methods, and the Mitchell book would be fine if you have the discipline to pace yourself so you don't overdo it and get frustrated. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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I am a middle school band director. Feel free to use anything on my website that you want: www.JustinDickson.com/Band _________________ Justin Dickson
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:06 am Post subject: |
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The Hickman book does have a slower learning curve but considering that you've already been playing two years, I'm not sure that matters.
I have used the Mitchell book also and it's really good. If you are looking for a book that has all facets of playing in the same place, Mitchell is very convenient, focused, as well as plain good. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Bulgakov Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | The Hickman book does have a slower learning curve but considering that you've already been playing two years, I'm not sure that matters.
I have used the Mitchell book also and it's really good. If you are looking for a book that has all facets of playing in the same place, Mitchell is very convenient, focused, as well as plain good. |
Thank you. That sounds great. What is the time-frame for working through the book? A few days per lesson? A week? A month?
Also, is there text instruction or just exercises?
And, I notice some editions come with CDs or DVDs but the Q Press download seems to be the printed material only. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: |
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First, the Mitchell Method is, presently, four books not one book.
How long does it take? As long as it takes. Not being flippant, but how long something like this takes depends on your own pace.
There is some text but it's minimal. This is not an instructional text book, rather a series of balanced lessons.
Regarding media, the books come with CDs. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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gwood66 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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If you study with a Claude Gordon student they will most likely have perform a subset of each lesson in Systematic Approach rather than performing the lessons as written.
The Bill Knevitt Crash Course is 52 lessons long and uses a systematic approach similar to the Claude Gordon Systematic Approach to Daily Practice. It employs several other methods/etude books as well. Here is the link:
https://qpress.ca/product/ultra-trumpet-crash-course-home-study-knevitt-pdf/
Good luck in your search. |
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Bulgakov Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you everyone for your advice. It's pretty amazing for a new player to get such great help from so many experts. I really appreciate this forum.
Based on the comments, what I am looking for and availability down under, I purchased the Mitchell on Trumpet series from Q Press. That should keep me occupied for a very long time :D |
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