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Joel11 Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: need new lead mouthpiece |
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Hi ! I am on the look out for a new lead mouthpiece.
I currently use a Best Brass 11E .617 E cup
and have used it for about 2 or so years it does the job but is pretty weak on
Sustaining those high notes for long
which produces a fuzzy sound after a while and the lips get tired. Any reccomandations ? and by the way how are those Legends Brass Mouthpieces for lead ?
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yamaha Bobby Shew Lead. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Make a call or send a mail at Bob Reeves shop.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Oh, so many things to say...
I don't know this line of mouthpieces, but looking at the specs, I'm thinking it's on the smallish side, rather shallow and a tight blow - you will need to work in a very efficient manner to optimize it. I suspect that you're pushing too hard, getting some resistance, and then closing up with extra tension..
But once again, nearly imposible to tell without hearing/watching you play.
I won't suggest a particular mouthpiece, but a visit to a vendor or conference where you can experiment with mouthpieces. Or look for a local teacher that will help you look and maybe even let you try a few out of his/her collection.
I'd suggest a larger diameter to get more "muscle" into the moutphiece, maybe a touch deaper for fatter tone, and a more open throat/flair to allow more free blowing and add power... but that's me taking a big guess on a direction to go to help based upon what you wrote... ?????
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deleted_user_fdb91a0 New Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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It's impossible to diagnose your problems via the web. The best we can do is point you toward reputable manufacturers of commercial mouthpieces. In the trenches, the majority of the cats out there today are using Reeves and Marcinkiewicz. There are some other great commercial mouthpieces out there though. The Stomvi Flex mouthpieces are great, and come from the Reeves lineage. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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While the above posters make great points I would suggest the OP might be better served by studying with a great teacher and practicing diligently. Said teacher would be in a good position to know if the mpc is too restrictive for you, or if it serves you well even if only for a specialized task. |
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JeffSharp Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I would also look into the Asymmetric line of mouthpieces. They have increased my range substantially, and I still have a good tone in the lower registers. My endurance has gone up also. _________________ Schilke player
Pensacola performer/composer
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deleted_user_ae17caf New Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I also agree with the Shew Lead. I'm young (15) and always had trouble with anything really above the staff. I was using a Bach 1c at the time. I thought maybe a shallower mouthpiece would help. I bought the Marcinkiewicz E14 Shew model and the Shew lead. Test drove both and and my high notes were better, but with a brighter tone. I eventually settled on the Shew Lead, also helped it was cheaper than the E14. I have used it for the past 3-4 months, and for me it definitely helps in the upper register. It took about a week or 2 to get used to aswell. |
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Joel11 Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:34 am Post subject: Lead mouthpiece |
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Thank you for recommendations on these lead mouthpieces.
the Shew Lead is certainly something ill look at but an I will upgrade at good steps
I've been used to the .617 for years and is efficient for my style of play atleast |
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jazztrumpetbill Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Just do a google search and there will be about eight zillion threads on Trumpet Herald on this subject. _________________ Bill
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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razeontherock wrote: | While the above posters make great points I would suggest the OP might be better served by studying with a great teacher and practicing diligently. Said teacher would be in a good position to know if the mpc is too restrictive for you, or if it serves you well even if only for a specialized task. |
THIS.
I’d also say if the OP is a developing student (I have no clue as to his level),
taking lessons, PRACTICING and sticking with something more “middle of the road” regarding mouthpieces might be of more help than shopping “lead” mouthpieces. I think sometimes students (again, I don’t know if the OP is a student) get the mistaken idea that equipment can be a shortcut to range, or anything else, hence the term “cheater mouthpiece”....which I don’t believe exists.
There is nothing wrong with asking a mouthpiece question on a mouthpiece forum, but I don’t believe anyone can make specific suggestions that have a good chance of being helpful without hearing and seeing the person play.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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trumpet.trader Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Joel11 wrote: | Hi ! I am on the look out for a new lead mouthpiece.
I currently use a Best Brass 11E .617 E cup
and have used it for about 2 or so years it does the job but is pretty weak on
Sustaining those high notes for long
which produces a fuzzy sound after a while and the lips get tired. Any reccomandations ? and by the way how are those Legends Brass Mouthpieces for lead ?
Thanks |
The issues you’re describing will not be solved by a new mouthpiece. Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it.
You’re playing a nice smaller commercial mouthpiece. No other mouthpiece will help “sustaining those high notes for long”
What will help is practicing and playing more trumpet. A new mouthpiece is not the answer, nor is “getting with a reputable teacher” to help select a new mouthpiece.
You just need to play more trumpet and practice the right stuff. If you aren’t improving, get with some more experienced players or a teacher and see what is successful for them and maybe it might help you.
But “sustaining notes” or endurance issues are rarely a mouthpiece issue, especially when playing an efficient commercial piece like you already have. |
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Lee Adams Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2001 Posts: 222 Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: Lead commercial mouthpieces |
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Getting the right rim with a proper balance of the other components of the mouthpiece is crucial for best results. It is possible that the rim is hindering you and the inner diameter might be too small. First how your chops relate to the high point of the rim and the rim contours will make or break the results for most players.
Secondly the cup, throat, and back bore design factors in. I have dealt with this for many years with students and many were simply using a rim with the high point too close to the inside which impinged their lips and created too much bite which seriously hindered their endurance and range.
Many other variables including such things as how various mouthpieces work or don't work well with certain trumpets etc.
The best case scenario is to get a fitting session from someone like GR or one of the certified GR consultants who has a process to help get you onto the best possible model.
If you are ever in the Atlanta area I can help you with a fitting session with the Northern Brass Mouthpiece line by GR. The Northern Brass are great commercial/cross over mouthpieces with a variety of cup depths and rim styles. Can even do a trial by mail and send you the NB commercial cup with both rim styles to see if either can help you.
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Clot Gorton Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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feedback@stomvi-usa Veteran Member
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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darxder wrote: | I also agree with the Shew Lead. I'm young (15) and always had trouble with anything really above the staff. I was using a Bach 1c at the time. |
I'm glad the Shew Lead has helped but I'm concerned about the fact that you say you had trouble functioning above the staff. I would never suggest a piece like the Shew as a fix for playing dysfunctionality. A 1C or similar isn't a lead mp but in my opinion if you can't play at least a decent high C on a 1C, there's something off about the mechanics of your playing. I can't help but think you'd get even more out of that Yamaha Shew Lead if you addressed this. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | darxder wrote: | I also agree with the Shew Lead. I'm young (15) and always had trouble with anything really above the staff. I was using a Bach 1c at the time. |
I'm glad the Shew Lead has helped but I'm concerned about the fact that you say you had trouble functioning above the staff. I would never suggest a piece like the Shew as a fix for playing dysfunctionality. A 1C or similar isn't a lead mp but in my opinion if you can't play at least a decent high C on a 1C, there's something off about the mechanics of your playing. I can't help but think you'd get even more out of that Yamaha Shew Lead if you addressed this. |
I tend to agree. Generally I would not want a 15 year old student using any “ commercial” mouthpiece, I think a developing player who at 14-15 has trouble with anything above the staff may have some basic playing/practice issues that are not going to be addressed by ANY mouthpiece.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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True, but back to the OP. Taking him at face value, if an ID of .617" suits him well, the Best Brass mpc he's on could be too open for him. If so the most sensible option would be the same mpc with a little more resistance, custom made for him by the same company.
Other people to talk to about specifics in metal that size would be Lex Samu (ljazztrm here) and Derek at Legends.
I still think the OP would be better served spending his money on a teacher to help him with technique to use the metal he's got. |
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CRJAZZMAN Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Stay away from the Asymetric mouthpiece. NO ONE sounds good on one of those! Bobby Shew lead piece works well and really lets the air through. Give it a try. If you don't like it, you will have no problem selling it. Good luck! _________________ Matt Canfield
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ljazztrm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:22 am Post subject: |
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That Best Brass 11E is quite a comfy piece. Are you sure all your trumpet mechanics are in place?
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145903
As far as Legends Brass goes, Derek makes some awesome, awesome, awesome lead pieces. Jim New is making a new Jim Manley line. The Lead1 piece is amazing - super big, bright sound. Probably around a .617. But know that this is a very shallow straight V cup and you really have to be playing efficiently to make this one work.
Yes, these are awesome lead pieces as well! The 6a will be a bigger diameter at around .630.. The GH VR may be just what you’re looking for. It’s a fantastic piece with a great big, bright lead sound. The rim and cup are quite similar to Jim New’s Manley piece, but it is a little more ‘forgiving’ if you’re not playing super-efficiently. But you still need to be playing very efficiently and relaxed to make it work well! All the very best, Lex _________________ Mpcs: Jim New-Manley Jazz1/Jazz2/Jazz4/Lead3. Legends MF1. Reeves 39EX/HV. Frost 39MVD. Flugel: Jim NewMF3. Jim New-Manley F1+F2. Pickett MF. Reeves HF.
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