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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject: Secondary Instruments and Their Benefits Reply with quote

Hi,
I am primarily a horn player but have used trumpet to enter the jazz world. I have played it for 9 years and I have found that playing it has helped my high register on my horn. I'm curious if anyone else has had similar experiences, both good or bad?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went from trumpet (high school first trumpet) to Horn (college first Horn). My workable Horn range was immediate (unlike trumpet) but the accuracy and, especially the sound, was a challenge.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Secondary Instruments and Their Benefits Reply with quote

Alex.Witt wrote:
Hi,
I am primarily a horn player but have used trumpet to enter the jazz world. I have played it for 9 years and I have found that playing it has helped my high register on my horn. I'm curious if anyone else has had similar experiences, both good or bad?

When I did my music ed degree at USF from '‘96–‘99, my brass techniques class was one semester of French Horn (since I already doubled on trumpet and trombone). During that semester, my range on trumpet definitely improved, seriously, in a significant way. I also had to play the biggest horn mouthpiece that my teacher could lay his hands on.

I have now been attempting to add tuba to my arsenal, and am finding the same thing, although my progress on tuba is frightfully slow. Hopefully I have hit an early plateau and will bust loose and shoot way ahead any day now.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubled some on horn in high school. Strictly seat-of-the-pants playing. Never had lessons on the horn, or the trumpet for that matter, at least not at the time. Back then it didn't seem to help or hurt my trumpet playing.

In recent times a brief return to the horn too me a little while to acclimate. Once I got lined up I struggled a bit with the horn's very low register though playing up high was very manageable.

Took me a while to transition back to the trumpet.

I've yet to find a brass double that helps my trumpet playing.

Most important double for me is almost certainly the piano.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually thinking of going a different way....

I've always admired the sound of an oboe. As I'm reading about the challenges for beginners (besides the stupid cost of reeds) they all say it requires the most disciplined embouchure of any instrument.

Could help with trumpet chops? Maybe....but not why I'm thinking about this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play the piano.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started out on trumpet at age 10, and stopped playing it at 40 when I become more of an arranger/orchestrator. My wife plays harp, so since we had it in the house, I learned how to play it. Now I'm back on flugel, playing that with her while she plays harp.

My time spent writing really changed my outlook on trumpet playing. Before that, I was concentrating on louder, faster, higher. I always wanted to show off and be heard. But my time orchestrating showed me the importance of the inner parts, good melodic writing, etc...

I have a completely different outlook on trumpet playing now than I did before.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldHorn wrote:
I started out on trumpet at age 10, and stopped playing it at 40 when I become more of an arranger/orchestrator. My wife plays harp, so since we had it in the house, I learned how to play it. Now I'm back on flugel, playing that with her while she plays harp.

My time spent writing really changed my outlook on trumpet playing. Before that, I was concentrating on louder, faster, higher. I always wanted to show off and be heard. But my time orchestrating showed me the importance of the inner parts, good melodic writing, etc...

I have a completely different outlook on trumpet playing now than I did before.


Very cool!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
OldHorn wrote:
I started out on trumpet at age 10, and stopped playing it at 40 when I become more of an arranger/orchestrator. My wife plays harp, so since we had it in the house, I learned how to play it. Now I'm back on flugel, playing that with her while she plays harp.

My time spent writing really changed my outlook on trumpet playing. Before that, I was concentrating on louder, faster, higher. I always wanted to show off and be heard. But my time orchestrating showed me the importance of the inner parts, good melodic writing, etc...

I have a completely different outlook on trumpet playing now than I did before.


Very cool!


And if anyone's interested. Here's an arrangement of FANFARE FOR THE COMMON MAN that I wrote for big band when I was still in my "higher, faster, louder" phase.

The band is the Jazz Consortium, one of the best band's in the Chicago area.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shark01

Tread carefully. I have read more than once that doubling on trumpet and any double reed instrument such as an oboe is death to the trumpet embouchure.

I would seek advice from those who have already trodden this path before venturing a step upon it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started on trumpet back in grade school. But I've always played other instruments. Nowadays, I mostly double on piano and chromatic harmonica. I play all 3 (trumpet, piano, harmonica) regularly in a number of small jazz combos.

The harmonica, from an embouchure standpoint, is essentially effortless. So one advantage is the ability to practice while I'm resting my trumpet chops. A second advantage is that I learn everything in at least 2 keys (for trumpet, which is in Bb, and for harmonica and piano, which are in C).

A big advantage of the piano is that it allows me to be more in-sync with the harmonic structure of a song. I believe this carries over to my trumpet playing.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject: Oboe... follow on Reply with quote

Does anyone know the difference between and Oboe an Onion?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:38 am    Post subject: Oboe... follow on... Follow on Reply with quote

Nobody cries when you chop up an Oboe.




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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
Play the piano.


THIS !!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know why in the winter a bassoon is better than an oboe ?
The bassoon burns longer !!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

homecookin wrote:
Billy B wrote:
Play the piano.


THIS !!!


Bingo.

I would have to say playing keyboards has been the biggest aid in my development as a musician.

That said, I also play guitar and bass, have played a bit of horn, and have dabbled in several woodwinds.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
Play the piano.


What mouthpiece do you use for that?
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