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Ed Lee Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: Nail polish remover to remove lacquer ??? |
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Has anyone tried to use nail polish remover to remove lacquer from a brass instrument? Isn't such ethyl methyl ketone as is also a solvent for crazy glue? |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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It's acetone, usually.
What lacquer it removes will depend on what lacquer is on the horn. Charlie Melk once replied to someone that acetone will not dissolve baked epoxy lacquer.
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Just bathe the horn in really hot water, 160 degrees or greater. You'll be pleasantly surprised (or horrified). |
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KingSilverSonic Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: |
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I work in a lab and a number of years ago I obtained a number of pretty nasty solvents, about 4-5, and under a chemical hood soaked vintage lacquered slides for 30-40 minutes. All with no effect. I have yet to try the hot water, i.e., run the horn through the dish washer but hear that process works pretty well. Easy Off will do a good job on some lacquer finishes, but not all. Probably the epoxy lacquer is the more resilient. If you try Easy Off be very careful not to breath this stuff and use chemically resistant gloves. _________________ Richard
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Ed Lee Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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My question is posed to address an Ambassador trumpet and I don't believe these ever used epoxy lacquers unless they were relacquered with such. I know the best "solution" is to have a tech strip it and then re-lacquer it --- thus I beat all of you to this punch line --- even though my question was serious. I'd presently estimate that 40 -50% of the lacquer is gone, but I'd like to spot test to see what would readily remove the rest. |
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James B. Quick Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I used ethyl methyl ketone a few years ago to strip a bass trumpet. I can tell you that it must be used with adequate ventilation, and that you should not get it on your skin. It has a sweet smell, for the first few minutes, and after that you can't smell anything, for days. My liver is probably still damaged, as well...
Hot water only works on older types of lacquer. Epoxy lacquer is impervious to most commonly available solvents that I know of.
Sometimes it's best to let a professional deal with nasty solvents, one who has sufficient knowledge and a properly set up shop and just pay them...
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jcmacman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Nail polish remover to remove lacquer ??? |
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Ed Lee wrote: | Has anyone tried to use nail polish remover to remove lacquer from a brass instrument? Isn't such ethyl methyl ketone as is also a solvent for crazy glue? |
I believe it is Methyl Ethyl Ketone or MEK, pretty nasty stuff. Outlawed in California a while back. Great solvent when used properly. Yes, it does attack your liver and other internal organs
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Ed Lee Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I do own a laboratory MSA chemical mask, having once worked with deadly organic chemicals that were quality controlled with esters vis either was used in the mix. When the canisters became outdated, I replaced them whether they were used or not (now 11 times, and due again this September). Having been used personally they were mine when I left that lab. You're right about hazard of MEK... IF, I'd want to do so inside a gas chamber so that the fumes wouldn't possibly get to me ... I'm already under the care of pulmonary specialist. Likewise, I've a gas mask issued to me while LEO and never used. Still in factory sealed pack. I'd have to look to see if those canisters have expiration date. I think such is same as issued to military. |
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Robert Rowe Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe (?) I can use nail-polish remover to "peel paint off the back wall", since I can't find a horn that will do it for me .... .
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Nail polish remover to remove lacquer ??? |
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jcmacman wrote: | Ed Lee wrote: | Has anyone tried to use nail polish remover to remove lacquer from a brass instrument? Isn't such ethyl methyl ketone as is also a solvent for crazy glue? |
I believe it is Methyl Ethyl Ketone or MEK, pretty nasty stuff. Outlawed in California a while back. Great solvent when used properly. Yes, it does attack your liver and other internal organs
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I used to work repairing inflatable boats, using MEK. Every once in a while the shop owner tell us to wear respirator masks. We usually never did. Maybe that's why I'm not capable of much more than noticing small shiny objects now. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
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homebilly Heavyweight Member
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I used boiling water on my ambassador _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
waiting for Fed-Ex to deliver a $50 trumpet to my door. shipping was prepaid by seller of course!
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jungledoc Heavyweight Member
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How'd it work? _________________ Andy
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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jungledoc wrote: | How'd it work? |
I think you buzz into the cup on the small end and use the valves to change pitch. |
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mcgyver Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Craig Swartz wrote: | Just bathe the horn in really hot water, 160 degrees or greater. You'll be pleasantly surprised (or horrified). |
Water cannot be hotter than 100 degrees Celsius.
You are talking about steaming it off. This method could damage the trumpet permanently as it can cause internal stress.
I suggest if you do this, try to go as low above 100 Celsius as possible and only for short periods. Let de trumpet cool down once every few seconds.
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Nonsense Eliminator Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:46 am Post subject: |
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mcgyver wrote: | Craig Swartz wrote: | Just bathe the horn in really hot water, 160 degrees or greater. You'll be pleasantly surprised (or horrified). |
Water cannot be hotter than 100 degrees Celsius.
Yo are talking about steaming it off. This method could damage the trumoet permanently as it can cause internal stress.
I suggest if you do this, try to go as low above 100 Celsius as possible and only for short periods. Let de trumpet cool down once every few seconds. |
Or else he's talking Fahrenheit, which seems more likely.
Perhaps water at 160°K could also work if you threw it at the trumpet? _________________ Richard Sandals
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mcgyver Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:52 am Post subject: |
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You are right. It never crossed my mind he could have meant Fahrenheit ((I'm from Europe).
Your other remark is really funny. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't know about MEK but nail polish comes in two forms: non oily which is basically acetone, and non acetone. If MEK is as nasty as y'all are saying they can't be selling that over the counter can they?!? |
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mcgyver Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: |
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It is not selling over the counter, but (laquer)thinner is and is a member of the acetone family just like MEK. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Robert Rowe wrote: | Maybe (?) I can use nail-polish remover to "peel paint off the back wall", since I can't find a horn that will do it for me .... .
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Ha😆!
Everyone is different, nothing wrong with DIY, but for the relatively small cost of having a tech do it, that would be my choice.
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