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Alex.Witt
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Air Speed VS Air Strength Reply with quote

I've been studying with Richard Todd and we have gotten into the area of air. I know that this can be a hot topic issue but I'm curious about teaching this concept to younger students. Let me know what sort of ideas or methods you have used on your students.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the answer is "it depends which one makes the student do it correctly" in the sense that it matters more that the instruction achieves it's desired effect than it does which word you use...

For me, personally, air "focus" works well, but it might not for everyone.

Some might hear "air strength" and start tanking up and overblowing; some might take "air speed" to mean blowing harder to create speed; etcetc.

The benefit of individual tuition is that a good teacher can tailor the approach to get the best results from you...
... To look for hard and fast rules is, almost by definition, to play the percentages and accept occasional misinterpretation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the best thing to do is to keep it simple, especially for younger players. Have the player say ah and eee and tell the player to pay attention to how their tongue moves to make these sounds.

Then, have the player whistle from a low pitch to a high pitch and again, have the student pay attention to the tongue movement.

Now, have the player do the same, buzzing a mouthpiece (low to high and back and forth), and again, tell the student to pay attention to how the tongue moves, and also tell the student to pay attention to how they need to blow harder to reach the higher pitches. With the mouthpiece introduced and the prerequisite formation of an embouchure, the teacher should also advise the student to pay attention to his or her lips and how they move to create a good, free vibration in the different registers.

Now have the student slur from a lower note to a higher note on the horn and again, tell the student to pay attention to how the tongue moves, and also, to pay attention to how one needs to blow harder for higher pitches.

At this point, advise the student that anytime they are playing flexibility exercises or slurring between intervals, they should notice and pay attention to how they move their tongue (arching up and forward) and blow harder for higher notes, and flatten the tongue and blow softer for the lower notes.

That's all that needs to be discussed. Talking about air speed is really not necessary, and to be honest, I'm not 100% convinced the actual velocity of the air passing through the lips is faster for higher notes (though I think it is). It doesn't matter if it is or isn't. What matters is for the student to learn the general movements of the tongue, (slight) movements of the lips, and changes in supplied air pressure when moving between various pitches on a brass instrument, and then, through proper, routine practice, to gain the knack, or feel of specifically how to do it.

I see you recently joined, and then made exactly 5 short posts in just eight minutes. I sure hope you don't turn out to be just another person who thinks that'll provide easy access to selling things in our Marketplace (which requires just 5 posts to participate as a seller). Because if so, you'll find out just like the others that try to do that, that no one will buy from you (hot newsflash: There's a Schilke E3L-4 in new condition that was listed on the marketplace last summer by a 5-poster-and done type for a fantastically low price - and it still hasn't sold).

Just did a little research. Are you Alex Witt the French Horn player from University of Florida? If so, that's a pretty heavy-duty audition you had to perform for the Frost School of Music!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JpiY-4LpA

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
...I see you recently joined, and then made exactly 5 short posts in just eight minutes. I sure hope you don't turn out to be just another person who thinks that'll provide easy access to selling things in our Marketplace (which requires just 5 posts to participate as a seller). Because if so, you'll find out just like the others that try to do that, that no one will buy from you (hot newsflash: There's a Schilke E3L-4 in new condition that was listed on the marketplace last summer by a 5-poster-and done type for a fantastically low price - and it still hasn't sold)...


Well, it turns out Alex Witt just wasted our time.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=102686&s=Custom-Built-Harrelson-Bravura-Jazz-Trumpet--Bb-

Another one...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
John Mohan wrote:
...I see you recently joined, and then made exactly 5 short posts in just eight minutes. I sure hope you don't turn out to be just another person who thinks that'll provide easy access to selling things in our Marketplace (which requires just 5 posts to participate as a seller). Because if so, you'll find out just like the others that try to do that, that no one will buy from you (hot newsflash: There's a Schilke E3L-4 in new condition that was listed on the marketplace last summer by a 5-poster-and done type for a fantastically low price - and it still hasn't sold)...


Well, it turns out Alex Witt just wasted our time.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=102686&s=Custom-Built-Harrelson-Bravura-Jazz-Trumpet--Bb-

Another one...


On the plus side... Even questions that have been done to death are searched for by visitors armed with Google.

So our answers might be wasted on the OP, but they'll probably help someone at some point (and we'll probably never know it)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air Strength to me means the volume and velocity of the air needed to overcome the resistance of the mouthpiece and trumpet to make the sound. If we use to much strength the sound will be harsh so its finding the balance with soft practice. The Air Speed is the velocity of the air we need to maintaining the pitches.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iím surprised none of the regular skeptics called this guy out before he posted in the marketplace...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kevin_soda wrote:
Iím surprised none of the regular skeptics called this guy out before he posted in the marketplace...


Perhaps I haven't earned the rank of regular skeptic yet, but I did point out his exactly five posts just 33 minutes after he started this topic thread with his fifth post. And I believe I beat his marketplace posting by 4 minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Perhaps I haven't earned the rank of regular skeptic yet. . "

LOL!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whomever it is in that audition, he needs to pull in his tuning slide. --FLAT!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
kevin_soda wrote:
Iím surprised none of the regular skeptics called this guy out before he posted in the marketplace...


Perhaps I haven't earned the rank of regular skeptic yet, but I did point out his exactly five posts just 33 minutes after he started this topic thread with his fifth post. And I believe I beat his marketplace posting by 4 minutes.


Ha! Nice work!🤪 I have to admit that I didnít read your entire first post on this thread because it seemed to reasonable and honest to be skeptical.
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