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BobD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1251 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject: Curry 3C. |
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I just got a Curry 3C. mouthpiece and it is cavernous compared to my Yamaha Shew Jazz which is supposed to be 3C size according to the Kanstul Comparator. I'm also much more in tune with the Shew and also the 14B4-GP I have. I'm assuming that the Curry must be different in a few ways to play so differently. Is it actually bigger than a Bach 3C and Shew Jazz?
Needless to say I'll be sending it back. _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
Yamaha Shew Jazz and Bach 7C |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 1294 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it is bigger. Wider cup and different rim shape. _________________ Justin Dickson
Middle school band director. Still learning.
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ruotjoh Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Posts: 115 Location: Finland
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Curry 3C. is a copy of Mt. Vernon era Bach 3C which is totally different than the modern one. Curry is closer to modern 1.5C than 3C. Great mouthpiece IMO! |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2310 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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yes, bigger than the Shew and a softer "bite" and flatter shape, so will feel even bigger..
a great mouthpiece, I wish I had found it earlier! _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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BobD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1251 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, everyone seems to really like this piece but I guess it's just not for me. I have good intonation with the Yamaha pieces(including a 16C4 and 11C4) and Bach pieces(3C,7C,10-1/2C) but with the Curry I was kind of all over the place. I guess it's just too big for me right now or maybe just not a good fit. _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
Yamaha Shew Jazz and Bach 7C |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5675 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:13 am Post subject: |
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You really didn't give it much time to assimilate to it, and you are coming off of equipment that is quite a bit different - it's no surprise to me that you neither liked how it felt, nor liked how it played. The intonation issues are probably not the fault of the mouthpiece, but rather your approach to how you are playing it - I have absolutely no intonation issues with mine. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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BobD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1251 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:24 am Post subject: |
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trickg,
Totally agree but since it's making things harder for me and I only made the change to see what it is like, there's no need to keep it.
I'm still at the beginning of my comeback and probably should not have strayed from the Shew Jazz since I was seeing progress. To keep the Curry would be a setback, at least for a while. _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
Yamaha Shew Jazz and Bach 7C |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5675 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:11 am Post subject: |
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BobD wrote: | trickg,
Totally agree but since it's making things harder for me and I only made the change to see what it is like, there's no need to keep it.
I'm still at the beginning of my comeback and probably should not have strayed from the Shew Jazz since I was seeing progress. To keep the Curry would be a setback, at least for a while. |
Agreed - from what little I know about the Shew Jazz mouthpiece, it's similar in size, at least from a diameter perspective, to the 3C, so I doubt if it's hurting you or hampering your development, so the key is to find something that works well and stick with it. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2310 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the Shew Jazz piece and a Curry 3C are similar beyond a general description - same ballpark. Probably with more variations than commonalities.
specs are close Shew = 16.85 inner diam, Curry 3C = 16.9 inner diam. but more notably the rim shape is significantly different.
Inner diameter is a tough thing to measure and inconsistent from maker to maker. Where on the curve between rim and cup are you measuring? Can make a big difference. The bottom line is what it feels like and how they play for you.
I have played both, have both in hand, the Curry "feels" bigger and has a "flatter" rim.. for me works very well.
Shape of the rim & cup can make intonation issues more or less pronounced - if you are used to a Shew and then switch to a Curry I can understand why initially some notes would slot in different places. You're used to making the subtle adjustments on one that may or may not be needed on the other. As with any change, it will take some time to settle in.
I find that the upper octave slots a hair lower on Curry's vs Yamaha (like a 14B4. that I played for several years). G on top of the staff isn't nearly as sharp and the C above the staff sitts right in tune with the octave below- I have less worry about it sliding sharp as I fatigue or press. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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BobD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1251 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Ive been playing the Curry and it seems that my intonation issues are mostly around being flat. So it seems that the piece is bigger than my embouchure can handle at this point. It does feel comfortable so I'm gonna play it for a while longer and see how it goes. _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
Yamaha Shew Jazz and Bach 7C |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:40 am Post subject: |
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BobD wrote: | Ive been playing the Curry and it seems that my intonation issues are mostly around being flat. So it seems that the piece is bigger than my embouchure can handle at this point. It does feel comfortable so I'm gonna play it for a while longer and see how it goes. |
It may not be too big, just again what you are used to playing. My Monette B1-5M has a huge throat, and a deep cup with a 1C-like rim. When I switch to a non-Monette mouthpiece, I run flat. The Monette takes air in a specific, relaxed way in order to work best. Other mouthpieces may require a faster airstream, perhaps even less air, to work effectively. A larger mouthpiece diameter can also result in a slightly spread aperture when you switch over, so that too could create a situation where the pitch is flat on the instrument.
If you are going back and forth between it and the Shew, try a different approach. Use the Curry exclusively for a few days, and see where your pitch is when it is the only piece you play. If you use the Shew for your warm-up, you are setting yourself up to play with the responses for the Shew. If you instead warm-up and play your Curry, you are setting your responses for the Curry, and could see significant differences.
I'd bet, if you do a week just on the Curry, the Shew will feel odd/different, and the Curry will work better. If not, then you can return the Curry having given it a fair trial. If the Shew still feels better after that week, you can feel even better about that choice, and return/sell the Curry. Apply the money from the Curry to a back-up Shew, and keep working!
All my best,
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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intrepidpooch Heavyweight Member
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BobD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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So, in the end the Curry 3C. was just too big. I'm on a Bach 7C right now. Bought it a couple years ago and will stay on it for the time being. I do have a Shew Jazz that is also good but the 7C allows me to play both the low and high end pretty easily. Also facilitates good articulation,flexibility and intonation. On top of that, during my last lesson, my teacher mentioned I sound really good before I told him I changed to a 7C.
I guess it just works for me. _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
Yamaha Shew Jazz and Bach 7C |
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ruotjoh Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Posts: 115 Location: Finland
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:08 am Post subject: |
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If 7C works for you then great! It's a good mouthpiece and you should stick with it. There's no reason to change if it gives you the sound and playability you're looking for. |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone know the throat size on a Curry 3C.? I’m wondering what effect tightening the throat might have. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2411 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | Anyone know the throat size on a Curry 3C.? I’m wondering what effect tightening the throat might have. |
You can find this on Curry's website.
http://www.currympc.com/index.php?id=47 _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Samuel5299 New Member
Joined: 08 Dec 2017 Posts: 8 Location: Ann Arbor, MI and Hartford, CT
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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you could also check out the curry 600 series. I play a 60c (analogous) to a 3c |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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intrepidpooch wrote: | You'll want a Curry 5C, it's much more comparable to what you're used to. I came from GR 66M and then an ACB 3C and the Curry 5C was a perfect fit. Never played a better mouthpiece, although I also use the Curry 5M for commercial gigs. |
When I tried the Curry 3C it felt much bigger than the Bach 3C vintage I enjoy which compares to a Yamaha 14B4. The Curry feels to me much closer to the Bach 1.5C (Yamaha 16C4) which isn't a bad thing but it's just too big for me. When I asked Mark if the 5C would feel like a smaller 3C I was told no, that it compared closer to the Bach 5C which is an entirely different feeling rim. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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