Similar to Bach 5 cornet mouthpiece

NERO · Regular Member Joined: 16 Dec 2017 Posts: 48

hi i'm a comeback player, from italy, and after 10+ years of saxophone playing... i recently purchased a Carol Brass 3200 sheperd's cornet, and i like it, valves are smooth and sound can be very sweet with a yamaha 13E4 short shank that i bought a few day's ago. tone is good, really cornety (i don't like the 7c that came with the instrument.... too trumpety whitout the pro's of a real trumpet), low register is full and lyric... but i struggle too much above the stuff.
i'm aware that studying and playing more on this MP i would have great benfits and improve the high register.... but considering that i play often in the open air with a street band, i' m looking for a MP to support me, in volume and high notes... without loosing cornet mellow tone.
for the moment i'd consider only short shank mp as i can play trumpet if i want more edge....
i usually play bach 5 size cups on trumpet so i was wondering if a denis wick 5b mouthpiece could be a good size and a good compromise for me.
Stefano

GeorgeB · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:27 am Post subject:

I use the Bach size 5 mps for trumpet and I also use the Bach 5C, B and particularly A cornet mps on my 1962 Conn 5A Victor cornet. For cornet, the C cup is medium shallow, the B medium deep, and the A very deep. They all make the cornet sound different for me, but the deeper cup is my favorite. And staying with the same rim size makes it easy for me going back and forth between trumpet and cornet.
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Richard III · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:16 am Post subject:

The Wick B cup won't get you much more than the Yamaha that you are already playing. Since you are playing a cornet that is quite cornetty, getting more support in the upper range and a little more out there sound can be had using something like a Curry P. On a long cornet or one that is bright, it can be quite bright. But on a cornet that is so far into the mellow side, it can bring it more to the center in terms of bright to mellow in sound.

I have a shepherd's crook cornet and getting that thing to the center is a bear. The Curry P can do it and make everything easier.
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Louise Finch · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:05 am Post subject:

Hi Stefano

I'd suggest the Bach 5A cornet mouthpiece (yes, it does have a long shank, but also a significantly deeper cup than the Bach 5C, and a more open symphonic Bach 24 backbore) as a really good compromise. Regarding the Denis Wick mouthpieces, the 4B would be a more similar diameter to your Bach 5C, than the Denis Wick 5B.

All the best

Lou
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Robert Rowe · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:14 am Post subject:

NERO · Regular Member Joined: 16 Dec 2017 Posts: 48

Thanks so much for your answers... i thought that a short shank mp would have been always a better choice for a sheperds crook cornet.... i'll give a look for a 5A

Louise Finch · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:20 am Post subject:

GeorgeB · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:58 am Post subject:

jadickson · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:38 am Post subject:

Curry makes cornet mouthpieces. The standard series 5 rims will be very similar to your Bach 5 rim, as his 5 rim is taken from a Mt Vernon Bach 5C mouthpiece. I hope this helps.

GordonH · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:27 am Post subject:

Remember that Bach make a 5V as well. Its a true brass band mouthpiece. Massive V shaped cup and a bigger throat.
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GeorgeB · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:31 am Post subject:

Robert Rowe · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:20 am Post subject:

NERO · Regular Member Joined: 16 Dec 2017 Posts: 48

The Bach 5v looks interesting too... thank you (everybody) for the suggestions.
it's not easy where i live to try cornet mouthpieces, i just have to buy it, so i'm looking on the web for used stuff.

Richard III · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:58 am Post subject:

I think I used to have a Bach 5V. Isn't that the one with the straight V shaped cup and the sharpest rim Bach ever made?
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Robert Rowe · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: