Cornet Mouthpiece Virgin

theslawdawg · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:14 pm Post subject: Cornet Mouthpiece Virgin

Hey everybody...

Long time TH Member and trumpet player, but rare post'er.

I am in the process of shopping for a cornet (just because) and I realized I have no idea what mouthpiece I get for it. I have never played a cornet, and had no clue that there were cornet mouthpieces.

Can someone give me a quick instruction on this, and give me suggestions on what they use, and why?

Thank you, and all the best.
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Dieter Z · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:03 pm Post subject:

What kind of music you want to play on it and what sound concept do you have in mind?
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bach_again · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:08 pm Post subject:

The musical application determines the gear, imo. If you are buying "just because" you maybe don't have a desired application or sound concept in mind, in which case just use your equivalent trumpet gear and you should be happy. If you care to learn cornet playing, copy players or a style eg. jazz or orchestral or civil war brass band or british brass band, then we can advise further.

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bnsd · Veteran Member Joined: 17 Jun 2014 Posts: 126

cornet, more than any other horn (for me), respond to mouthpieces most drastically... I can sound trumpety to flugeley on the same horn with a different mouthpiece and a different approach.

When I do use my cornet, I use a mouthpiece similar in size to my trumpet but with a cornet shank and a deeper cup.

That is where I would start, but your application would vary your choices.

What kind of trumpet/mouthpiece combo do you usually play?

btw... I love my cornet, I just would never want to play lead on one

dstdenis · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Cornet Mouthpiece Virgin

theslawdawg · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:07 pm Post subject:

Thank you all for the responses. I guess I got motivated with a brunch day at Commander's Palace in New Orleans, and listening to an excellent cornet player playing some good old dixie land music.
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dstdenis · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:24 am Post subject:

Dixieland sounds great on a cornet, and cornetists typically don’t need to use a very deep cup mouthpiece to get the early jazz sound they’re after. Often they play long model cornets too.
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theslawdawg · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:17 am Post subject:

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theslawdawg · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:18 am Post subject:

dstdenis · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:35 am Post subject:

There are many that could fit the bill. For example, Shaye Cohn plays fantastic early jazz with her band, Tuba Skinny, on an old Yamaha long cornet. Bach makes a long cornet, their 181 model. Conn and King made some great long cornets. Others might chime in here with their suggestions.

Long cornets are a typical choice for early jazz, but you could expand the search and look at short (shepherd's crook) models if you like. Getzen makes some great cornets like that, but there are lots of makes and models to choose from in this category.

You might check sold listings on eBay for cornets to see what they sold for, think about how much you'd be willing to spend, then start looking. If you can, try to find a shop where you can play test first. That's how I got started: I play-tested a used cornet in a shop and had to have it. I don't know if there are any shops near you that have cornets. If you ever get up to Atlanta, Rich Ita's Brass Instrument Workshop usually has several cornets in stock (I'd call first).

Good luck, and have fun. Cornets are lots of fun to play!
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theslawdawg · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:24 am Post subject:

Awesome. Thank you!
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JVL · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:02 pm Post subject:

hello
i agree both with Mike (once again

) and dstdenis.
Which mpc do you play for trumpet?
I have and play a Courtois since 1986, still very good.
A student of mine has a Roy Benson that he paid cheap and it has a very beautiful sound, play very in tune and easy to play

Best

theslawdawg · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject:

JVL · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:59 am Post subject:

hello,
I think you could get a rich sound, with projection without being too bright, in Marcinkiewicz line.
In their measuring, the ID given at 17.20mm should match the 3C ID.
The 3C cup depth equivalent would be 10.90mm.

Personnally, for a cornet mpc used in Dixieland music, i'd not go shallower than 12mm cup depth.
They have a lot of models in this 17.20mm ID, various cup depth.

My Marc. cornet mpc ID is 15mm, #18 throat, symphonic backbore, and i could play Dixie with it, because it gives me warm or bright sound depending on how i play.
My "classical" mpc, again a custom Marc. one, has a 12.42mm cup depth (feels to me like a Bach A cup depth), again my sound can be warm or brighter.

Have a look at their standard and 300 series (3.73mm throats), or Endorsee serie (E3.1 would be ok if you want to keep the same cup depth; but the ID is a little smaller).

In any case, to me, their rims are the most comfortable and best ones.

Best

jhatpro · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:51 am Post subject:

I play trad using a Blessing Super Artist with a Stork 3SC and a Conn 80A with short shank Curry 3C. Both horn/mic combinations give a nice, bright Dixieland sound. I use both because, like a guy with two wives, I can’t decide which one I like best.

My sound concept is Muggsy Spanier’s.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Icd8bA9eS-Q
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theslawdawg · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:05 am Post subject:

Do you need a short shank to play cornet? Is there a difference in the sound?
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Richard III · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:52 am Post subject:

dstdenis · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:15 am Post subject:

Since you play a Bach 3C on trumpet, and since you're interested in early jazz, which usually involves a brighter cornet sound fairly close to a trumpet (just a bit more "umph" and core), you might do fine with a Bach 3C or 3B cornet-shank mouthpiece. If you want a darker, more mellow sound, you could go with a 3 (no letter), but I doubt you'd want or need that for early jazz. Still, you might want it for other styles of music.

There are lots of other fine mouthpiece brands to choose from, but if you're happy with the Bach 3C with your trumpet, I'm listing options that would keep you in the same brand and would probably work for early jazz. You'll be able to fine-tune your choice after you acquire a cornet and worked with it awhile.

Some cornets, like Conn and Olds of a particular vintage and model, require a special shank. You only need to worry about that if you get one of those specific models, otherwise get a standard cornet-shank mouthpiece. If you're looking at a Conn or Olds, ask if it requires a special shank (not all do).

If you play-test cornets at a shop, you also could try different mouthpieces that they have in stock. If you buy online, you could buy a few from a dealer like mouthpieceexpress.com, who allow returns within 15 days (you have to get an RMA number before returning). For example, you could buy a Bach 3C, 3B and 3 (no letter) cornet mpcs from them, try them at home with your cornet, keep the one(s) you like and return the rest. (If you need a special shank, you'd have to place a special order, which would make it more expensive and non-returnable).
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giakara · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:28 am Post subject:

At first try the same piece you use on your Bb.

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theslawdawg · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:43 pm Post subject:

Thanks everyone for the advice. Just bought a 50s Buescher online for a couple hundred. It's still in great shape, and looks sharp. If I could figure out how to post a picture, I would.
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