Worn Spit Valve Cork on "New" Trumpet ?

RussellDDixon · Last edited by RussellDDixon on Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total

A friend purchased a "new" Schilke Trumpet from WWBW that has been sitting in a warehouse since January of 2014. Upon first opening the Schilke box (packaging) ... the spit valve key cork is noticeably worn and almost gone ?

The trumpet was wrapped up tight and does not appear to have ever been played otherwise. Why would the cork be almost gone (worn) ?

Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:16 pm Post subject:

May have just dried out and fallen apart.

Or they took a used horn and re-wrapped it.

Or...
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RussellDDixon · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:26 pm Post subject:

Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:55 pm Post subject:

Maybe just a thin cork to begin with?
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trumpet.trader · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Jul 2017 Posts: 200

Very odd. But if it was wrapped and packed in original packaging, and the only issue is a dried out or missing cork, and you got a good buy on a new horn...I think I’d be fine with that.

I’d say again, it’s odd. But easy fix. And if the horn plays good (it’s a Schilke so I’d bet it’s awesome) and you got a good discount, I’d still say it’s a win.

What model did he get out of curiousity? Is it an oddball model like a B2 or B4,maybe a tuning bell?

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Question: On a new cork that's loose...and needs to be re-glued...what kind of cement/glue do u use to re-seat it???

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Brad361 · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:09 am Post subject:

Nothing would surprise me from WWBW, I once bought a new Yamaha from them that had a huge dent in the bell that could not possibly have happened in shipping.

In this case, I would say if the horn looks clean inside, especially the lead pipe, then the cork just degraded; it has been sitting ( allegedly ) for 4 years.
It does surprise me though that a Schilke would sit in their warehouse for that long, is it an unusual model (bore, bell, etc.)?

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Jerry · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:21 am Post subject:

You could call Schilke and get their take on the matter:

Schilke Music Products, Inc.
4520 James Place
Melrose Park, IL 60160 USA
Phone: (708) 343-8858
Fax: (708) 343-8912

Andy Del · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:43 am Post subject:

A new Schilke instrument has blue plastic sticking to various surfaces of the plating. You have to make an effort to remove it, so if it was gone, this is not a new instrument. The serial number will let you find out from Schilke when it was made, and for whom possibly... Last, a water key cork from Schilke is normally black rubber / plastic.

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RussellDDixon · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:10 pm Post subject:

It is a Schilke X3
Came in Schilke box inside another box ... warpped up great.
Trumpet itsself wrapped in white tissue paper with clear plastic bag over that
Parts were wrapped in that tight blue plastic.
He got a great deal $2395.33 ($500.00 off for Black Friday)
Dust on the top of the actual Schilke box (warehouse)
Schilke states horn produced in 2014.
I agree, very good value even with the cork half gone.
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homebilly · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject:

I'd ask for another $500 off for the trauma that the half dead cork brought you!!

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RussellDDixon · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject:

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I worked at Schilke's in the '70's. We used tapered (real) corks which we fitted to each horn by filing the cork to fit in the cup. the adhesive used was plain old Elmers Glue-All. YOu could use Micro Cement (liquid shellack) or contact cement. It doesn't really matter. I did hear from Wayne Tanabe, of the NYC Yamaha Atelier, that natural cork has superior accoustic properties to synthetic rubber or foam. It was demonstrated and I believe it. So, put in a new cork and enjoy the instrument.
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trumpet.trader · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Jul 2017 Posts: 200

And as I recall the goodies included with the new horn consisted of Al Cass valve oil, Schilke tuning slide grease and a yellow warranty card.

Like I said it’s been years but I don’t remember the blue film on the horns. Must be a new thing.

Speaking of new things, do all the bells have that logo engraving now? It’s so gaudy!! The old Schilkes I’d had never had any engraving except a “B” if it was beryllium and sometimes a serial number on the detachable tuning bells.