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DNMH Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:30 am Post subject: Plastic Trumpets |
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What is the current "best" plastic trumpet? |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:36 am Post subject: |
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None. For $150, the price of a "new" plastic trumpet, you can get something like an old King Cleveland, Holton Collegiate, or a number of other horns that will play so much better, including this Olds Ambassador in the marketplace: https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=103195&s=TRUMPET--Olds-Ambassador _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
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Didymus Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Plastic Trumpets |
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DNMH wrote: | What is the current "best" plastic trumpet? |
Tromba, but they are not 100% plastic. They have stainless steel pistons and brass leadpipes. |
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Smokin Joe Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to have one! |
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roynj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Every time I get the notion to sell off my plastic Tromba trumpet, I pick it up and play it for a while, and then realize that I kind of like the thing. That being said, I agree with the earlier poster who suggested that one might do better with a good Olds ambassador or 50s or 60s conn or holton. Good can be cheap. |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yes! _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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What do you mean by "best"?
I have tried Tiger, Allora (Tromba), and pTrumpet. I prefer the only one that is all plastic, the pTrumpet.
I wanted a plastic trumpet for its lightness and relative durability to easily carry around for certain situations. The Allora is relatively heavy with its standard valves and leadpipe. And its plastic seems very brittle and easily breakable. However, the Allora is probably the closest to sounding like a metal trumpet.
The Tiger has - what, aluminum valves? They seem awfully problematic and the horn, to me, is the worst sounding of the three.
I have and use the pTrumpet every now and then. It has given me no trouble and is very easy to take along. I find it useful in my situation. |
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Tritone Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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The answer depends on what you're looking for.
First, if you're looking for something that is light in weight, won't make you sell a family member if it gets stolen, and doesn't require a lot of care, a plastic horn may work just fine for you. If not, a conventional horn would be a better choice. I settled on the Allora (Tromba) from the various makes available, and for a horn that meets these needs, it's not that bad.
That said, this is certainly NOT my main horn. The valves are not fast and they clank. The horn is only plastic, so it may not stand up to a a trombonist sitting on it. The intonation isn't awful, surprisingly to me. Accordingly, I would never perform on a plastic axe unless there were a truly compelling reason for doing so, and I surely hope that one never arises -- but maybe you have something else in mind (like vacation use, a trip to a high-theft part of the world, a gift for someone who is happy to simply make trumpet-ish noise, etc.). |
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OldKing Regular Member
Joined: 26 May 2017 Posts: 89 Location: Boerne, TX
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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These things are the single biggest change, in my mind, since I picked the horn back up after a decades-long sabbatical.
'Don't own one, but I'm already over them. Stupid. The guy borrowing one down the line at rehearsal tonight was commenting on how it matched his shoes.
I'm out. _________________ For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? - 1 Cor 14:8 |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: plastic trumpets |
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I bought one over a year ago while I was looking for a pro type horn to restart after a logn layoff. They will wear out pretty quick. Mine was missing a cork in one of the spit valves. I would do as the people who recommend finding something cheaper in real brass are saying. You should be able to find someting passable just by hitting a few pawn shops or finding one in the marketplace here. That's just MHO |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I have an Allora/Tromba C trumpet that I use for busking and when I play with a particular group that has pretty rowdy gigs. It is in tune with itself but it is flat even with the slide all the way in. Plays about as well as a beginner or perhaps intermediate instrument. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I v got a allora cornet for my son and is not worh the money (170€) .
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
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DNMH Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: Plastic Trumpets |
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Thanks for your ideas. I bought the Tromba and find it works well in blending with the recordings I am using. My Bachs and Getzens are too overpowering with the recordings. At least the folks at the Assisted Living Campuses like it.
I just wondered if I could improve on the Tromba. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Plastic Trumpets |
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DNMH wrote: | What is the current "best" plastic trumpet? |
The one professional classical soloists and symphonic players use for important paid professional concerts.
Plastic trumpets are a novelty. They exist because people will buy them not because of their usefulness as musical instruments. They might have a use in some street playing situation - clown band or whatever - where visual colorfulness and concern about damage is more important than sound.
If sound is a consideration there's no such thing as a good plastic trumpet - which includes horns with carbon fiber parts. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
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DNMH Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:24 am Post subject: Plastic Trumpets |
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I am not looking for a comparison of horns, I have the Bachs, Benge, Getzens, etc. and play symphonically.
I just wanted to see if there is a 'best" plastic, because this Tromba blends best with my Bluetooth speakers, smartphone and George Lewis Tracks.
Think it would help if folks would just answer the question and not try to denigrate and educate. |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Ah, so you have a Tromba.
While I believe the Tromba may sound the "best" of the three I've tried, I chose the pTrumpet. The sound was good enough and the all-plastic construction made it the "best" for my intended usage. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Plastic Trumpets |
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DNMH wrote: | this Tromba blends best with my Bluetooth speakers, smartphone and George Lewis Tracks. |
I'm curious what you mean by this - in what way/sense does it blend best with Bluetooth speakers, etc.?
Quote: | it would help if folks would just answer the question and not try to denigrate and educate. |
You provided no parameters whatsoever other than "what is the best". To be honest the particular criteria you've now provided seem nondescript to me. How is anyone supposed to know which of a pool of inadequate sounding horns you're going to like with that particular setup? If you're talking about recording yourself playing along to tracks, your basic setup is inadequate.
Based on the criteria I'd apply to any other horn I gave the most accurate reply I can - all plastic trumpets suck. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Plastic Trumpets |
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Robert P wrote: | DNMH wrote: | this Tromba blends best with my Bluetooth speakers, smartphone and George Lewis Tracks. |
I'm curious what you mean by this - in what way/sense does it blend best with Bluetooth speakers, etc.? |
In an earlier post he makes clear that he's playing along with recordings when performing at a nursing home. The OP has determined that the plastic horn has a more suitable presence for that venue. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Plastic Trumpets |
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DNMH wrote: | I am not looking for a comparison of horns, I have the Bachs, Benge, Getzens, etc. and play symphonically.
I just wanted to see if there is a 'best" plastic, because this Tromba blends best with my Bluetooth speakers, smartphone and George Lewis Tracks.
Think it would help if folks would just answer the question and not try to denigrate and educate. |
I have not tried the Tromba...only the ptrumpet. I think in the setting you describe, not sure if the ptrumpet will be dramatically different (or better).
All the best,
Jr _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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