New Carol 'Shew Horn' model

Brent · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: New Carol 'Shew Horn' model

Curious if anyone has any knowledge of this new Carol, and how it might differ from their 5000 YLT:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-DEMO-CAROL-BRASS-LIGHTWEIGHT-BOBBY-SHEW-STYLE-CUSTOM-Bb-TRUMPET/263499229668?hash=item3d59c729e4:g:KmwAAOSwvOJahgBg
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hackney_wick · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: Re: New Carol 'Shew Horn' model

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JonathanM · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject:

If it's patterned after the Yamaha Shew horn, it will perhaps have a smaller airflow in the front of the horn. The Yamaha Shew is a step-bore horn I believe (although they may use a different terminology).

The Carol 5000 was a wide-open blow; the Yamaha Shew I had was a very restricted blow (some do play more open but mine... Not so much). So..lf the Carol Shew is patterned after the Yamaha Shew it should have quite a bit of difference from the Carol 5000, I'd think.
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Brent · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:28 pm Post subject: Carol

I was wondering if it's a step bore as well, though judging from the description, I kind of doubt so. A step bore in the .460 would be nice, though.

I'm sure it's nice. Carol horns get mixed reviews here, but I've been extremely impressed by them.
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JonathanM · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:52 pm Post subject:

Brent, I agree. I think I've had five different models of Carol Trumpets and was impressed with every one. They didn't all fit my needs but I still found them impressive. I purchased all of them used and consider them outstanding values.

I'll follow this thread... I'd like to know more about this model, too.
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bebop · Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:25 pm Post subject: Carolbrass Shew Model

I would think their 5005-YLT or 5205-YLT model might be closer to the Shew horn. Both of those models are medium bore with a thin 72 style bell. I would think they both have medium bore slides. The 5005 is all yellow brass and the 5205 has nickel slides.

LittleRusty · Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:09 pm Post subject:

I wonder what artists like Bobby feel about unauthorized use of their name to advertise instruments. I know Michael Jordan won $9,000,000 when a store used his name above a steak coupon.

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JayKosta · Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:53 pm Post subject:

Does 'Carol' have a website of their own - I couldn't find it?
And does 'Carol' itself call the horn 'Shew style'?
When searching, I found several dealers and other 'resale' website using the term 'Shew style', and wonder if that's just because of the appearance of horn - braces, general configuration, etc.

I get the impression that there have been several versions of 'Shew endorsed/approved' horns by other makers, and perhaps the general appearance of those horns would make the term 'Shew style' appropriate to use on other similar appearing horns. Similar to how several other horns that look similar to Bach 180-37 or Bach mouthpieces use names that are similar to the Bach nomenclature.

If 'Carol' is using the term as some sort of 'pirated' endorsement from Shew, that's another story.

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mm55 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 01 Jul 2013 Posts: 1412

Hoxon Gakki discontinued the "Carol" brand name more than ten years ago, replacing it with "CarolBrass," because of a trademark conflict. So you won't find a current website for the Carol brand. I have both; a "Carol" pocket trumpet and a "CarolBrass" fluegelhorn.

Also, the use of Shew's name was in an ebay listing by Wichita Band Instruments, not Hoxon Gakki. I don't think Hoxon Gakki has used Shew's name to promote this trumpet model, although Wichita Band has used it more than once.
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The Ingram is not step bore. Pretty sure it's just 453 all the way through

Brassnose · Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:13 pm Post subject:

Thomann Germany has been selling them since 2012. Given the fact that they are on position 146 in the Thomann Bb trumpet sales ranking, they may not be for everyone, but they seem to sell.

https://www.thomann.de/de/carol_brass_ctr4440lpsmbbal.htm?sid=b368dccd38a8f8c2702b1d0faab61d73

If I recall correctly someone on the German Trompetenforum played one in a soul/pop/rock environment and was very happy.

Never played one but someday I will spend time at Thomann and test ALL their horns

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