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trpt2
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: tpt |
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tubbs831
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| Yes Bruce Hall and then Joe Foley on 2nd cornet |
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stevesf
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It does not surprise me that Boulez in all of his recordings of La Mer does not include so called inserts....he always has had a rep for sticking to the printed score no matter what the music or emotional intent there of needs....
Yet even other more mecurial conductors have used these inserts in their recordings/performances to much success. Reiner (my fave) Toscanini , Haitink (just the horns play) to name a few.
I guess it is more of tradition that plays in than anything else.
Tradition of that particular orchestra and/or conductor......
I still think La Mer just sounds empty with out these fanfares....just my opinion..
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| mcgowanm wrote: | | I played this last week and the conductor came at me with these inserts and said, "Debussy wrote this and then took them out." I said, "then why are we playing them?" He just gave me a dirty look and walked away.........oh conductors.......... |
"Then why are we playing them?"  I love it!
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trombasolo
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: La Mer trumpet inserts |
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| RandyTX wrote: | | trombasolo wrote: | The story is that when Harry James' version of Ciri Biri Bin became popular, and it was a world-wide hit, Debussy took those parts out of the trumpet part because there was always snickering and laughing in the public when they heard it since they associated it with Ciri Biri Bin.
Like a lot of stories, this may or may not be true, but I believe it could certainly be possible.
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It would seem a lot more convincing (to me) if the inserts sounded more like Ciri Biri Bin. Even after reading the above and listening to it again with this in mind, I just didn't make the connection. /shrug |
Ansermet knew Debussy. Cuvit was Ansermet's principal trumpeter. Cuvit was told this story by Amsermet and Cuvit told me and you don't believe it. What is wrong with you? And who are you? What are your credentials? Is it EXACTLY like Ciribiribin? Of course not. Similar enough, though. Shrug? |
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robert_white
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: La Mer trumpet inserts |
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| trombasolo wrote: | | RandyTX wrote: | | trombasolo wrote: | The story is that when Harry James' version of Ciri Biri Bin became popular, and it was a world-wide hit, Debussy took those parts out of the trumpet part because there was always snickering and laughing in the public when they heard it since they associated it with Ciri Biri Bin.
Like a lot of stories, this may or may not be true, but I believe it could certainly be possible.
Cheers,
Dennis Ferry |
It would seem a lot more convincing (to me) if the inserts sounded more like Ciri Biri Bin. Even after reading the above and listening to it again with this in mind, I just didn't make the connection. /shrug |
Ansermet knew Debussy. Cuvit was Ansermet's principal trumpeter. Cuvit was told this story by Amsermet and Cuvit told me and you don't believe it. What is wrong with you? And who are you? What are your credentials? Is it EXACTLY like Ciribiribin? Of course not. Similar enough, though. Shrug? |
I think the 20 years between Debussy's death and Harry James having a hit with "Ciribiribin" might explain the implausibility of the story - colorful, though it may be!
I know this is an old thread, but that BSO video above sure makes me wish Rafael Fruhbeck de Burgos was still alive. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:42 am Post subject: Re: La Mer trumpet inserts |
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| robert_white wrote: | | trombasolo wrote: | | RandyTX wrote: | | trombasolo wrote: | The story is that when Harry James' version of Ciri Biri Bin became popular, and it was a world-wide hit, Debussy took those parts out of the trumpet part because there was always snickering and laughing in the public when they heard it since they associated it with Ciri Biri Bin.
Like a lot of stories, this may or may not be true, but I believe it could certainly be possible.
Cheers,
Dennis Ferry |
It would seem a lot more convincing (to me) if the inserts sounded more like Ciri Biri Bin. Even after reading the above and listening to it again with this in mind, I just didn't make the connection. /shrug |
Ansermet knew Debussy. Cuvit was Ansermet's principal trumpeter. Cuvit was told this story by Amsermet and Cuvit told me and you don't believe it. What is wrong with you? And who are you? What are your credentials? Is it EXACTLY like Ciribiribin? Of course not. Similar enough, though. Shrug? |
I think the 20 years between Debussy's death and Harry James having a hit with "Ciribiribin" might explain the implausibility of the story - colorful, though it may be! |
Maybe they had a séance? |
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Old post, but I'll add my 2 cents in.
Here is the final 10:39 minutes of Reiner and the CSO version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DyKWhLUsUk
The insert is at 9:11 in. Reiner and other great conductors of that era could create something few conductors can do today and that is create atmosphere.
Reiner shows the rather frightening power of the sea and the insert as brilliantly played here creates the sense of power the sea can possess.
Vincent Chicowicz was playing the 1st cornet part on this recording and the extremely soft high passage at 5:37 for the solo C cornet shows how great of a player he was.
La Mer is one of my personal favorite pieces for orchestra. Only a genius could write something that can be so easily visualized while listening to it.
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| On the Detroit Symphony webcast on 2/23/2018, Slatkin only played the second insert, not the first one...strings only the first time...... |
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On the Detroit Symphony webcast on 2/23/2018, Slatkin only played the second insert, not the first one...strings only the first time...... |
Hmm...don’t remember Lenny picking up a trumpet. Kevin Good and I did play the insert though (along with 3rd and 4th horns down the octave) We usually don’t play it, but the boss had it pasted into our parts this time.
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