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jacobweglarz New Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:15 pm Post subject: High School Student - How To "Learn" Jazz? |
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First post!
So, I'm currently a sophomore in high school, and I participate in a lot of different bands, both in and out of school, but all of these bands pretty much stick to classically composed songs, and never really vary. Aside from the jazz band in my school (which is very small and basic), I really don't have any exposure to swing or jazz-like music. So, when my community band that I play lead trumpet in decided to do a short arrangement of St. Louis Blues, its safe to say I was a little bit shocked. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get a feel for the rhythms or the music in general.
Onto the actual post. I don't know a lot about jazz, swing, and anything that remotely falls into that category. What are the first steps I should take to learn another style of music entirely? If private lessons are the way to go, how do I find a private instructor? I might not be asking the right questions here, so really any tips are helpful at this point. Thanks! _________________ Bb Trumpet - Bach Stradivarius 180S37 w/ gold trim
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to TH!
Listen to recordings a lot. Play along with the recordings too. This will get the style into your head. Then try to reproduce that sound with your playing. Listen/visualize/imitate. Have fun with it! _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to TH. It’s great to be involved in a lot of bands. Jazz band, in particular, is where high schoolers have stylistic and sound production issues with. In all honesty, your best bet would be to purchase a Monette mouthpiece. Jazz technique and sound become much easier with Monette products. That’s why nearly everyone in Jazz uses them. Some other beneficial ideas:
Learn to play a high C upside down. This will skyrocket your range.
Play the Hayden Trumpet Concerto with lots of swing. Should definitely help you get accustom to jazz.
Watch Blaise Bowman’s channel. Lots of great stuff. https://youtu.be/-aEiuZl4Cds
Take lessons from that other sophomore trumpet in your band. Would be beneficial.
[Dont take this post seriously I know this guy he’s a friend ] |
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jacobweglarz New Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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CJceltics33 wrote: |
Take lessons from that other sophomore trumpet in your band. Would be beneficial. |
I didn't realize who this was up until this part. Nice to see you here Caleb _________________ Bb Trumpet - Bach Stradivarius 180S37 w/ gold trim
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2415 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: High School Student - How To "Learn" Jazz? |
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jacobweglarz wrote: | First post! |
Welcome!
jacobweglarz wrote: | Onto the actual post. I don't know a lot about jazz, swing, and anything that remotely falls into that category. What are the first steps I should take to learn another style of music entirely? |
There are many things you can do, if you want to play jazz. You can learn the jazz language - chords, scales, patterns, and style. You can listen to good players, practice transcriptions, and imitate their approaches. You can learn the jazz standards. You can learn as much as you can in all 12 keys. And you can get out and play.
If you're interested, find a good jazz method to work from. I started with the Aebersold method (his free jazz handbook, and volumes 1-3 of his play-along series). Maybe start with Volume 1, and see where it takes you.
https://www.amazon.com/Vol-Play-Jazz-Improvise-Book/dp/B0002J6I8M
jacobweglarz wrote: | If private lessons are the way to go, how do I find a private instructor? |
This isn't a bad idea, depending on your goals. I had 2 private teachers back in school. I had a trumpet teacher. I also took jazz lessons from a saxophonist. Maybe your band director can recommend someone, or provide other advice about your goals.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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In terms of learning style there's no substitute for listening to recordings. If you grew up in England you'd have heard the English accent all the time and you'd have developed that accent fluently. It would come naturally to you. If you grew up in China you'd have heard Chinese all the time and you'd have developed the ability to speak Chinese fluently. It would come naturally to you.
Jazz styling is a language. To learn to produce it fluently you have to listen to it for a long time until it comes naturally to you. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Find a big band with a good (stylistically) lead trumpeter that will let you play 3rd or 4th trumpet. You'll pick up the style and phrasing of the idiom.
Do some research, call the musicians union, etc. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | Welcome to TH. It’s great to be involved in a lot of bands. Jazz band, in particular, is where high schoolers have stylistic and sound production issues with. In all honesty, your best bet would be to purchase a Monette mouthpiece. Jazz technique and sound become much easier with Monette products. That’s why nearly everyone in Jazz uses them. Some other beneficial ideas:
Learn to play a high C upside down. This will skyrocket your range.
Play the Hayden Trumpet Concerto with lots of swing. Should definitely help you get accustom to jazz.
Watch Blaise Bowman’s channel. Lots of great stuff. https://youtu.be/-aEiuZl4Cds
Take lessons from that other sophomore trumpet in your band. Would be beneficial.
[Dont take this post seriously I know this guy he’s a friend ] |
You're a funny guy. |
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jacobweglarz New Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | Do some research, call the musicians union, etc. |
Sorry, what do you mean by "musicians union"? _________________ Bb Trumpet - Bach Stradivarius 180S37 w/ gold trim
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Clayol New Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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As others have said, one of the most important things you can do is to listen to as much jazz as you can. Youtube is your friend here. There are so many amazing recordings out there - you just have to dive in and try and absorb the music. It won't happen all at once, but you'll soon be able to 'feel' the music. The dynamics and articulation/accent patterns will become much more natural as you listen and practice. Here are some recommended groups/players:
Duke Ellington Orchestra
Count Basie
Thad Jones/Mel Louis Orchestra
Mingus Big Band
Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra
Maria Schneider Orchestra
Clifford Brown
Miles Davis
Fats Navarro
Dizzy Gillespie
Kenny Dorham
Freddie Hubbard
Chet Baker
Clark Terry
Nat Adderly
Harry Edison
Louis Armstrong
Booker Little
Every one of these players/bands has their own distinctive feel and style. Listen as much as you can, and enjoy. _________________ Trumpets: LA Benge 5, Reynolds Contempora Leonard Smith
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trumanjazzguy Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2011 Posts: 403 Location: St. Louis, MO…or wherever the Ship I’m on is!
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is VERY important to start learning jazz from it's early roots, onward. Only when you've mastered how to solo in 1920's and 1930's style, should you move on to 40's swing and 50's bebop, and then to 1960
s and more modernistic playing. Too many people disparage earlier jazz, not realizing it is the stepping off point from march music, blues, and classical, and they miss the transition into jazz.
I have a spotify playlist that, if listened to everyday, will give exhaustive examples of jazz from the 1920's onward. PM me and I'll tell you how to access it. This listening will give you a wealth of ear training and harmonic language you'll need to succeed in your jazz, AND commercial music endeavors. _________________ TPT: Nova LA
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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jacobweglarz wrote: | Ed Kennedy wrote: | Do some research, call the musicians union, etc. |
Sorry, what do you mean by "musicians union"? |
Most metropolitan areas have a local of the American Federation of Musicians. If you don't know where else to find out about bands (big bands, rehearsal bands, kicks bands) somebody at the local may know or tell you who to ask, For that matter if you feel OK disclosing your area, there very well may be sombody on TH that could help you. |
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Learning to swing ins't that difficult. Listening to jazz and big band music will help you get a good feel for it. Try playing scales in that style. It all comes down to using your ears!
When you're ready to learn tunes and begin improv a good friend/mentor of mine, Indianapolis based trumpeter Mark Buselli, posted this a week ago. should be a helpful start with some help from your director.
Mark Buselli wrote: |
I hope this helps. I have learned a lot of songs in my day. This is my method.
How to Learn a tune – Mark Buselli
1) Learn the melody by singing the lyrics, humming the tune over and over. When you can sing it THEN start to learn it on your instrument. Try to go to original sources of the melody. Ex. Try to learn it from the author and not someone reinterpreting the melody with liberties. Be careful of Real books (especially #1) as there are loads of errors. The later ones are much better. Readers Digest has a great series on older tunes.
2) With just a metronome (no play alongs) set a metronome to about 75-85 and use it as 2 and 4. Now, play ONLY the roots of the chords through the tune for about 3-4 choruses. You will then be familiar with the form and the structure of the tune.
3) Learn the guide tones of the tune (3rds and 7ths) and play both guide tone lines (one starts on the third and the other the 7th) in different inversions through the range of your instrument. *(see guide tone exercise)
4) Practice walking bass lines using digital patterns (1-2-3-5 ascending and 8-7-6-5 descending) throughout the form with quarter notes.
5) Limit your improve notes to triads at first and then 7th chords. These help our brain to get “into the changes” much easier. These are basic building blocks and must be practiced in all inversions full range. If this last step is not taken then you will limit yourself to always starting on the root of the chord when you improvise and you will be labeled a “boring” player.
6) Team up with another player and have them play bass lines. Try some motivic development. Take a short little phrase and carry it through the different changes of the song making slight modifications to fit the chord changes.
7) Just because a chord is altered does not mean you have to play all the alterations every time. You can play beautiful musical phrases without playing every alteration.
8)Think about pacing. Leave space. One can ONLY leave space when they are confident of the form! A great way to leave space is by saying a short phrase like “Parker is super hip.” Play those phrases on your instrument through the changes.
9) FINAL CHECK – Have someone point to you as you play the melody. When they point start to improvise. When they point again play the melody wherever you are in the form. Try it …. Not so easy.
10) Play with a rhythm section and have fun! |
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Go to this workshop.
workshops.jazzbooks.com/ _________________ Bill Bergren |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:17 am Post subject: |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | Welcome to TH. It’s great to be involved in a lot of bands. Jazz band, in particular, is where high schoolers have stylistic and sound production issues with. In all honesty, your best bet would be to purchase a Monette mouthpiece. Jazz technique and sound become much easier with Monette products. That’s why nearly everyone in Jazz uses them. Some other beneficial ideas:
Learn to play a high C upside down. This will skyrocket your range.
Play the Hayden Trumpet Concerto with lots of swing. Should definitely help you get accustom to jazz.
Watch Blaise Bowman’s channel. Lots of great stuff. https://youtu.be/-aEiuZl4Cds
Take lessons from that other sophomore trumpet in your band. Would be beneficial.
[Dont take this post seriously I know this guy he’s a friend ] |
Sorry I can't be of help to your friend but my improv skills are at what I would call survival level.
Best wishes,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
1st Trpt for Cats, Phantom of the Opera, West Side Story, Evita, Hunchback of Notre Dame,
Grease, The Producers, Addams Family, In the Heights, etc.
Ex LA Studio Musician
16 Year Claude Gordon Student |
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