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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 1842 Location: Fresno, California, USA, North America, Earth, Solar System, Orion Arm, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:54 pm Post subject: Custom Bach cup/backbore combination |
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So, I bought an amazing 1949 Reynolds Professional Cornet model, and I'm loving it. It's in original condition, and has a monstrous sound!
My dilemma is that I love the Bach 6 for cornet, but with this cornet the #24 backbore is just too open. I would really like to try the standard #10 Bach backbore on this piece, but the 6 comes standard with the 24 backbore. What would be the easiest way to get a Bach 6 cornet mouthpiece with a #10 backbore? _________________ The name I go by in the real world is Joe Lewis |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5461 Location: Suffolk, England
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Hi loweredsixth
Via the Kanstul modular mouthpiece system, you could combine a B6 cup with a B10 cornet backbore.
Or if you compare the Bach 6 and Bach 3 on the Kanstul mouthpiece comparator, you will see that they are reasonably similar. A Bach 3 may therefore be worth a try.
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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rockford Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 2477 Location: Northern VA
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Good news.Trumpet and Cornet
Standard: Models without letters: 10 backbore
"A" Cup Models: 24 backbore
"B" Cup Models: 7 backbore
"C" Cup Models: 10 backbore
"D" Cup Models: 76 backbore
"E" Cup Models: 117 backbore
"F" Cup Models: 76 backbore
"V" Cup Models: 25 backbore
Special: No. 24: bigger, darker, symphonic
No. 7: dark, Schmitt style
No. 3: dark
No. 117: favors the upper register, standard piccolo trumpet backbore
No. 87: big, free blowing
No. 76: bright edgy sound; helps upper register
No. 41: bright, more resistant
No. 57: lively, helps raise pitch on some notes, good high register. _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5461 Location: Suffolk, England
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Hi rockford
Sadly it is not good news for the OP, as as explained in the Bach mouthpiece manual:
6 Deep 16.20 mm Medium wide, Produces a rich, clear tone of substantial body. Its rim shape
not too sharp. was preferred by Vincent Bach. (Cornet model comes with
#24 backbore as standard.)
He therefore wouldn't be able to buy a standard Bach 6 cornet mouthpiece with a 10 backbore.
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Dan in Sydney Veteran Member
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 257 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:22 am Post subject: |
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There is a very easy fix for this.
OP, send a Bach 6 to Matt Frost--he can thread the cup section for any number of backbores you'd like. He makes a great standard backbore, or you can have him thread a standard one from, say a cornet C cup piece.
Frostcustombrass.net-
You can even thread a trumpet backbore onto it as well.
The only criteria is that the throat sizes between pieces have to match. _________________ Principal Trumpet,
Sydney Symphony (1978-2011)
Lecturer in Trumpet, Australian National University 1990-2010
Bach Artist and Clinician, Soloist
http://www.conn-selmer.com/en-us/artist-information/centerstage/artist-roster/daniel-mendelow/ |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 545
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: |
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If the OP doesn't mind the typical "fall off" of the rim, the Bach 7 is essentially the same as a Bach 6 except for the rim contour.
And a lot cheaper than all the custom pieces! _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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loweredsixth Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 1842 Location: Fresno, California, USA, North America, Earth, Solar System, Orion Arm, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the ideas! _________________ The name I go by in the real world is Joe Lewis |
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Mike20275 Regular Member
Joined: 02 Mar 2015 Posts: 13 Location: Omaha, NE
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: cornet mpc |
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I 2nd the send it to Matt Frost suggestion. I have had Matt do a few projects for me and he is great, fast and affordable. |
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