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jhatpro
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gekker ‘Slow Practice.’
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
Gekker ‘Slow Practice.’

I don't understand the significance of that quote.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
jhatpro wrote:
Gekker ‘Slow Practice.’

I don't understand the significance of that quote.


It isn't a quote. It's a book by Chris Gekker.

https://qpress.ca/product/chris-gekker-slow-practice-pdf-download/
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you wrote below now makes it clear what is going on for your daughter (and yourself) and also shows your ways of working in a very different light. Thanks for making it clearer...

As it is coming from your daughter, go for it!

cheers

Andy

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Thank you so much for your words of wisdom. I REALLY appreciate it. I have given her the first two exercises on Claude Gordon to do already (a few weeks ago) and it seems to be helping along with using a metronome and building from p - FF. We have also been doing breathing exercises. I have taken her to see several professionals play live, which like suggested, really motivates her. Next Sunday, we're going to see Chris Botti play at the Kennedy Center (again) which she is thrilled about.
As a Dad, I want the best for her. It is not me pushing her to play louder...it is her asking me how to do it. We have a great student/teacher relationship. With my oldest, I couldn't teach him too much. With her, she's pretty easy and has been for years. I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet and get her a different teacher though...its kind of our thing. I'm divorced and she lives with her mom so several nights a week, we facetime and do lessons and then we do them live on the weekends when she comes to see me. Trust me, SHE is the one who is doing the pushing. She gets mad if I'm not up to it.
Also, while there are many on here who are way above my level of playing and teaching, I've done my share with everything from beginners to full time professional players. I just haven't came across this particular problem yet and wanted to see what the group suggests.
Again, I am thrilled with everyone's suggestions and humbled to be given suggestions by a group as great as yourselves. I consider myself one who is open minded, willing to try new things and forever a student, which is why I ask this question and will have more to come over time I am sure.
Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trumpetteacher1 wrote:

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The simplest exercise to expand volume is a crescendo, done on a G in the staff, held for 9 or 10 counts (walking tempo). Do this as part of a daily warmup, but not at the very beginning of the warmup.

Have her start at pp (she will be good at this part!) and gradually get as loud as possible by the last count. Be very precise in the counting. At first, she won't get very loud. But if you play these exercises with her, she will eventually start to get the idea. It may take a few weeks, or even months.

The goal, of course, is to get louder while keeping a good resonant sound.

As she gets stronger, add the next couple of higher notes, A, B, and C.

This needs to be done every day, but it will only take a minute or two of her practice time.

This works. Good luck!

Jeff

(note - this Crescendo exercise is on page 131 of The Balanced Embouchure)


"Me too" to this (and some cogent thoughts by others.)
¿Jeff? -- how strongly do you recommend tapping the foot for this exercise as you mention in your book?

One thing that was transformative for me -- but probably nearly impossible for a HS kid in most situations -- was to practice outdoors, exclusively, for a few months. Presence/power/resonance/volume developed without my being aware of it.

-Denny
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee Loughnane told me he developed his power by taking his horn down to Oak Street Beach in Chicago and trying to get his sound all the way to Michigan.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Denny,

As his daughter is in high school, she probably doesn't require the foot tapping part of it so much.

Jeff
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
Lee Loughnane told me he developed his power by taking his horn down to Oak Street Beach in Chicago and trying to get his sound all the way to Michigan.

Sounds good. Find me a beach.
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