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BobD
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:01 am    Post subject: Schagerl vs Yamaha Reply with quote

Just wondering how a Schagerl JM1/JM2 compares to a Xeno. Are the Schargerl's a step down? Seems like they are considered an entry pro or intermediate pro horn depending on the website. Where as a Xeno is definitely a pro horn.

I may have just answered my own question.....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the opportunity to look at a couple of them, and to play one of them. Regardless of how they are marketed, they are put together very well, and the one I played, at least for the short amount of time I got to try it, seemed to play very well - it was brilliant, lively, had an easy blow, etc.

It's definitely something I'd consider if I was in the market for a new horn, maybe even more than the Xeno.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

How did it compare to your 1600i?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say "brilliant", do you mean in a "lightweight, commercial horn" way? Or do you think it could be used as an all-around horn? I personally love the focused, centered feel and blow of the Xeno II's... Would you say there is still decent body and core to the JM's?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one I played was pretty lightweight, but it would be hard to really say how it compared to the Jupiter except that the Jupiter blows kind of like a Bach, and this felt kind of like a Schilke. For me, I think that it would have been more of a commercial/big band horn than a legit horn.

Then again, this was about 2 years ago and I got less than 5 minutes on it - I didn't really get to put it through its paces at all, so take anything I have to say with a grain of salt. With that in mind, I just remember that it had an easy blow, fast response, an upper register with balanced resistance, and a brilliant, bright sound, all on top of being very nice from a fit and finish perspective.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is sort of hard to keep track of Schagerl instruments. Some of the Morrison horns were made in Australia at their factory. Others in China.

I played one of the Austrian ones (serial # 0007 no less) and it was pretty well one of the best horns I have played. Some of the others... not so good. at all.

These days, I have zero idea where they are sourced from. Their top level instruments are just that, top level and VERY VERY good!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I was told my new horn has a Schagerl valve block. They are VERY nice valves.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two levels of James Morrison instruments - the JM1/JM2 entry level pro instruments and the James Morrison Meister.

The JM1/JM2 are certainly a match for a Xeno, and pretty sure they are made in Austria (the student level horns are Chinese I think).

Have had the chance to play the JM1 and JM2 a bit and loved them - very good slotting, and a really nice rich tone.

I think it's the JM2 which is marketed more as a "classical" horn, and has heavy caps and a twin-wall leadpipe. It's a really great horn.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried the JM1 and JM2 a while back and I was unimpressed for the price point. I think the Carolbrass prohorns offer better value. Sorry can't compare to Xeno II as I have not played one.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:40 pm    Post subject: Xeno Reply with quote

Haven't played the JM models.

I think the newest Xenos are some of the best horns out there. I played a Xeno as well as a new top of the line Strad, and for me, it wasn't even close.
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