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 Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:32 pm Post subject: Burbank Kanstul Michael Thomas |
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| I've been playing a Burbank Kanstul Michael Thomas lately. Wow, it has a great sound and plays great. I have a Burbank Benge (first owner in 1969) and an LA from the 10,000 range and I like playing the Burbank/Thomas most. They are all great to play. The Burbank/Thomas certainly has that "Benge bounce". Gosh, it is lively indeed. The Benge sound is certainly different that the Bach sound, more lively, more alive (not to say that the Bach sound is not good. I like that, too, just different). Well built, great valves that are really tight. I'd be happy if this was the only trumpet I had (although I have many). These Burbanks are great trumpets. I am glad, for one, that Kanstul and Michael Thomas are still making these great and unique trumpets with a lot of personality. Who else has played them? Post your thoughts. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:22 am Post subject: Burbank and Michael Thomas |
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Michael Thomas has been keeping the Benge tradition going with the Burbank model. Made to strict standards by Kanstul it is perhaps better overall than the original. Michael is himself a fine player and does very little advertising with these trumpets. They are kind of a well kept secret amongst players who might run across them at the ITG's Micheal attends. Do yourself a favor in San Antonio this May and give the Burbank a try.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Burbank Kanstul Michael Thomas |
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| so what wrote: | | I've been playing a Burbank Kanstul Michael Thomas lately. Wow, it has a great sound and plays great. I have a Burbank Benge (first owner in 1969) and an LA from the 10,000 range and I like playing the Burbank/Thomas most. They are all great to play. The Burbank/Thomas certainly has that "Benge bounce". Gosh, it is lively indeed. The Benge sound is certainly different that the Bach sound, more lively, more alive (not to say that the Bach sound is not good. I like that, too, just different). Well built, great valves that are really tight. I'd be happy if this was the only trumpet I had (although I have many). These Burbanks are great trumpets. I am glad, for one, that Kanstul and Michael Thomas are still making these great and unique trumpets with a lot of personality. Who else has played them? Post your thoughts. |
Which model are you playing? One of my Skype students in Germany ordered a Burbank 6XCG model and loves it. And he sounds great on it - nice and bright. I think it's the one of the best commercial style trumpets available today new.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Burbank Kanstul Michael Thomas |
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Hi John,
This is a 3x, as is my Burbank Benge and the LA in the 10,000 range.
They all play well, sharing a lot of characteristics, but each has its own personality.
The Michael Thomas one is just so lively that it is the most fun to play.
I do have some other Benges around, but haven't played them in a while, including a large bore that originally came from Fred Radke in the Harry James band. It is said to be the last trumpet completed before Elden Benge died in the car accident. Also, I am told that Harry James himself actually played this Benge a couple times. Now that is something for channeling the vibes of the trumpet universe!
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| So Thomas makes them for or with Kanstul? Anybody have a link for this guy? |
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| khedger wrote: | | So Thomas makes them for or with Kanstul? Anybody have a link for this guy? |
| Tony Scodwell wrote: | | Made to strict standards by Kanstul... |
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Does anyone know why they're not more aggressively marketed?
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For the 6X-CG
For the 3x+
Michael was very kind to loan me these instruments, which included his own Benge 3X+
Just as clarification, according to the story of how the Burbank brand began, they do not use the Burbank Benge bell mandrels, but what are thought to be the Chicago Benge mandrels.
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Does anyone know why they're not more aggressively marketed? |
As always, marketing takes money. Having money requires sales. Sales requires marketing. It's a difficult cycle to break. That's why I like to help when I can.
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| shofarguy wrote: | | Just as clarification, according to the story of how the Burbank brand began, they do not use the Burbank Benge bell mandrels, but what are thought to be the Chicago Benge mandrels. |
Gonna disagree on this. The Burbank horns use the Burbank mandrills. The Kanstul Chicago line of trumpets use the Chicago mandrills. (it's kinda like why they're called "Burbank" & "Chicago.")
Say what you will but I've been associated with both Burbank and Kanstul horns for 30 years now. The information I have comes both directly from Mike & Zig, who I've both known and worked closely with for...gee...30 years.
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"The Burbank Trumpet has been designed with a straight through valve cluster"
What does that mean? I don't see any photos that might explain it.
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| trpthrld wrote: | | shofarguy wrote: | | Just as clarification, according to the story of how the Burbank brand began, they do not use the Burbank Benge bell mandrels, but what are thought to be the Chicago Benge mandrels. |
Gonna disagree on this. The Burbank horns use the Burbank mandrills. The Kanstul Chicago line of trumpets use the Chicago mandrills. (it's kinda like why they're called "Burbank" & "Chicago.")
Say what you will but I've been associated with both Burbank and Kanstul horns for 30 years now. The information I have comes both directly from Mike & Zig, who I've both known and worked closely with for...gee...30 years. |
Tim,
You were certainly closer to the beginning than I was. I am aware that some "Official" stories are somewhat adjusted or even manufactured, so I tried to uncover any elements to the story that might have remained "hidden.". I checked and cross checked what I wrote. Michael, Jack Kanstul and Flip Oakes all tell the same story of the Chicago mandrels being used to start the Burbank line. Jack revealed the story of the "Bengee" trumpet that was used to produce the tooling for the Kanstul Chicago 1000 and 1001. I do not know any other information from any other source (except your own account, which I'm not contesting) that ever claimed anything different, so I wrote what I wrote.
Unfortunately, I didn't ask Zig about the Burbank history when I lived in SoCal.
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| oxleyk wrote: | "The Burbank Trumpet has been designed with a straight through valve cluster"
What does that mean? I don't see any photos that might explain it.
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What I know to be the "straight-through" valve cluster is the one used on the 1525 flugelhorn. If you look at a photo of the left side of that block, you can see the transfer ports all fall in a single line, not the usual up-and-down alternating pattern of normal clusters.
The Besson/Benge/Burbank (and Schilke, too) style valve blocks have transfer ports that are made of straight tubes, rather than the curved tubes of Bach, Getzen, Kanstul Signature valves, etc., but still alternate up-and-down from valve to valve. I'm not aware of these being called straight-through valves, myself
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I have a 1929 straight through Couesnon flugel. they are straight and straight through
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| trpthrld wrote: | | shofarguy wrote: | | Just as clarification, according to the story of how the Burbank brand began, they do not use the Burbank Benge bell mandrels, but what are thought to be the Chicago Benge mandrels. |
Gonna disagree on this. The Burbank horns use the Burbank mandrills. The Kanstul Chicago line of trumpets use the Chicago mandrills. (it's kinda like why they're called "Burbank" & "Chicago.")
Say what you will but I've been associated with both Burbank and Kanstul horns for 30 years now. The information I have comes both directly from Mike & Zig, who I've both known and worked closely with for...gee...30 years. |
This certainly makes sense. Unless the Chicago and Burbank mandrels are almost the same, it should be easy to sort this out. I've got a Burbank and a LA 3x here as well as a Burbank/Kanstul/Thomas 3x. I don't have a Chicago Benge. I've not measured bell tapers before, but doing so should answer this. Any suggestions for how to measure the bell taper here at home? |
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| so what wrote: | | trpthrld wrote: | | shofarguy wrote: | | Just as clarification, according to the story of how the Burbank brand began, they do not use the Burbank Benge bell mandrels, but what are thought to be the Chicago Benge mandrels. |
Gonna disagree on this. The Burbank horns use the Burbank mandrills. The Kanstul Chicago line of trumpets use the Chicago mandrills. (it's kinda like why they're called "Burbank" & "Chicago.")
Say what you will but I've been associated with both Burbank and Kanstul horns for 30 years now. The information I have comes both directly from Mike & Zig, who I've both known and worked closely with for...gee...30 years. |
This certainly makes sense. Unless the Chicago and Burbank mandrels are almost the same, it should be easy to sort this out. I've got a Burbank and a LA 3x here as well as a Burbank/Kanstul/Thomas 3x. I don't have a Chicago Benge. I've not measured bell tapers before, but doing so should answer this. Any suggestions for how to measure the bell taper here at home? |
I'm pretty certain Kanstul has all of these mapped out in their library of bell contours.
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