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Wrms
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those links. I can see that when I get a horn I will need to create my own fingering chart.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you have to learn the fingering for the horn you have. The number of keys varied from bugle to bugle, so they aren't all the same to play.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Keyed Brass Reply with quote

nieuwguyski wrote:
Didymus wrote:
Thank you for the clarification. Does that mean the keyed bugle and the larger ophicleides use similar fingering charts? Were there even standardized fingering charts for the former?


These two charts suggest the fingerings were rather different:

http://web.a-znet.com/~jstockham/Photos/KeyedBugleFingeringChart.jpg

http://www.serpentwebsite.com/o_finger_big.pdf


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just this past Saturday, I attended a concert that included an ophicleide. Mendelssohn's "Midsummer Night's Dream". They used a 19th century instrument, restored by Jim Engele at Osmun Music. It sounded like it fit right in with the orchestra, a smooth blend.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m still looking for a keyed bugle . Haven’t given up yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another possibility showed op on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Christman-Keyed-Bugle-New-York-Copper-and-Brass-1840/183553895534?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Bb in high pitch.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks nice, but if you have small hands, the keys on a Bb will be difficult to navigate because of their spacing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, small hands?
My hands aren't huge, a 9th on a piano, but a 3 hole baroque trumpet in Cb a tenor recorder or bagpipes are all fine for me.

Since I started this thread, I have yet to see an Eb for sale.
That is my ideal. But in the meantime......

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If anyone has a Eb Bugle to sell or a lead on one, let me know!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For more obscure instruments like that you want to check with the dealers in antique musical instruments. There are maybe half a dozen serious dealers out there. Here is a listing for an Eb bugle at Vintage Instruments in Philly: http://vintage-instruments.com/navigate/catidx2.htm I don't remember all the dealers but there's Tony Bingham in London, William Petit in France, Wichita Band Instrument Co, etc. Some of them accept want lists, they will contact you if they get a lead on something you have on your list.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip. The ad doesn’t say that it’s a Eb, but I’ll check.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an update. I bought the Christman listed above.
It's in fine shape, serviced by a knowledgeable service tech in the last three years. I'm getting around on it ok, it's awkward as all get out, but I'm sure I'll get more comfortable with it. I do really like the sound and it's close to 440 without a lot of messing about.

I have a question mostly for Dale, but anyone else that knows can chip in of course. Should there be any lubricant on the pivots? Mine are completely dry and move a bit slowly. I'm thinking woodwind key oil?
Any other maintenance hints?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reasonably sure they were never lubricated "back in the day", since early valves weren't either. No harm in a few drops of key oil, though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realize that early valves weren't designed with lubricant in mind.
I wonder how that worked in practice. I wonder who was the first player to say "screw this, I'm dumping some vegetable oil on this thing", thus launching decades of trumpetherald questions and arugments.

Player one; Vegetable oil is what works for me.
Player two; It'll work better if you put some pig urine in it.
Player three; That's what I do as well plus I add a bit of water that has been filtered through the eye lashes of a new born calf.
Player four; Shut up and play!

On my keyed bugle there's lots of points of friction and a bit of key oil helped immensely.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading somewhere that early on, Conn recommended spitting on the valves to lubricate them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder when the first brass lubricant was marketed and what was in it.

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