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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject: What horn Reply with quote

Hello all,
I wanted to play trombone or drums. My folks had just bought me a new accordion, so they told me I could play dads' trumpet that he bought in college. It is an Olds Special from, the late 40's with the Olds 3 mouthpiece.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="BobD"]Can’t believe that no one started on an Olds Ambassador. I started on an Ambassador with a Bach 7C. Then got braces a few months after then after 3 years got braces off , couldnt play and switched to tenor sax for the remainder of my school years.[/quote]

I started on an Olds Ambassador with a 7c... mine was a cornet. I had been sneaking into my brothers room when he wasn't there and playing his trumpet. He would've been pissed if he knew. When I was in 3rd grade they offered band, so I asked my mom. She was SURE the trumpet would be too big and hard to play, so she got me the cornet.

I still have that horn, although it needs a lot of work. Valves still work well, although it's a bit stuffy compared to even my Capri, and it feels like it has a sock in it compared to my Yamaha 9335V.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olds Ambassador trumpet, with an Olds 3 mouthpiece. The horn worked fine, but I hated the mouthpiece - that ultra-flat rim was very uncomfortable, so I started to monkey with it. Used machine tools to change the rim profile and hen the cup shape until it was a complete shambles. But it was comfortable. I used that until a band teacher saw it and demanded I change to a Bach 7C (which I detested then and still do).
I changed to being a singer until Mic Gillette gave me a Jet-Tone a couple of years later.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olds "Special" cornet ($35 used. Its best days had passed). Bought it in college to play only in marching band. Bach 7C mpc because that was what we started on in 1958. No exceptions.

At age 8 and thereafter I had wanted to play the cornet, but wasn't allowed to because there were too many cornets ...(everywhere)! I was relegated to clarinet and became pretty good. As a music major, a "brass techniques" class in college was my start on cornet. My favorite class. Ten years after college, and not in music education, I took up trumpet in earnest. Not everyone in my advanced music peer group was enthusiastic about that decision. And there are still too many cornets/trumpets, but I don't care. I'm getting all the gigs I can handle and having a great time.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boosey and Hawkes Regent cornet with an unknown mouthpiece

nothing has affected me I am gear agnostic
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried trumpet for a while (can't remember what type of mouthpiece), then my parents bought me an Olds Ambassador cornet. I used a Bach 1.5c, later switched to a Blessing 7c, got back into trumpet with a megatone 3c, then finally to the Asymmetric mouthpieces.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil smith encourages students to begin on Cornet- so their first BLAT is a BLOT
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first brass instrument I started on was an Olds Ambassador trombone. I recall that it had an Olds mouthpiece, but I can't remember the size (it's been over 40 years ago).

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early 1960's Conn Director trumpet, Conn 4 mouthpiece.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
None.

I have no idea what I started on. After playing for four years on that mouthpiece, when I was in tenth grade, my new trumpet teacher suggested a Schilke H (#11 now) and the only reason I know what that was is because I still have it. So I went from that through high school and part of college then switched to a Purviance 4*D4.


Which is pretty similar in ID. So while you're not consciously aware of any connection, there may well be substantial muscle memory at play here, contributing to what works best for you even now. I think that's what the OP is driving at?

Personally, I started on cornet. An Olds Recording, made circa '56. .470" bore, as I understand it. Schilke 14C2, which is effectively their version of a 1.5 C.

4 decades later, after much resources devoted to experimenting with specialized equipment, I find I do pretty well for most things on a setup pretty close to that. The next rim size .008" bigger, 1.25 fits my face better and is really ideal for me for any kind of playing that doesn't demand my extreme upper register, but I can't practice on a mpc that big and maintain my best high range which is achieved on a .641" ID. I can make the switch from .641" to .665", aka 1.5 / Schilke 14C.

Coincidence? Or muscle memory, even after all those years? Likewise I can adapt to play a smaller bore (ML) horn, but I do​ better on a more open setup.

I could've just stuck with the horn and mpc I started on?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started on an unknown cornet w/ unknown mp in 1980; likely was an Amati. Switched to a Blessing Scholastic w/ JK 5C, which I played until ca. 1992 even though it had a bent bell (original, must have been poor quality control at Blessing's and no one noticed until years later). Still have it as a back-back up.
Switched to a Bach 43GH w/ the same mp, experimented a little, then settled on a Yamaha 14a4a (yes, I know) for the next 10 years. Had the Bach redone w/ a 43 leadpipe and custom tuning slide in 2015 and switched to a Monette B4L at the same time. Ideal for big band, rock, soul settings. A little less so for church - too dense & straight when playing with rotaries and flugels.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, forgot to add that mouthpiece size looks to be quite important to me, too. I really like sizes around the JK5C I started on. Deviating too much from this diameter never really lasted long. Looking up the sizes of mps I like, they are all in the 16.7ish mm diameter range. I also seem to prefer shallow(er) mps.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:28 pm    Post subject: first horn Reply with quote

Being the third born son of a music teacher/high school band director/supervisor of music for our public schools/lifelong trumpet player and teacher, I naturally "followed" my two older brothers into music by picking up the trumpet like my pop in third grade, a barely used student Bundy he picked up from the rental pile at the music store where he gave lessons. Needless to say my lessons were only "free" from a monetary standpoint, as I paid in every other way to the perfectionist (oh he also played first chair trumpet in the community orchestra). Virtually certain it was a 7c Bach that came with the horn, and other than maybe a nylon MP for cold weather that is what I stuck with. At least til I got to add first chair french horn in 8th grade (a used Conn 8d double) with a generic MP size unknown, simply because they had too many trumpet players and no french horn players and it was correctly assumed I could pick it up quickly. Then added a King baritone (marching band) and Yamaha euphonium (orchestra) as a high school freshman for similar reasons (again whatever MP was in the horn case or a nylon equivalent in cold weather), getting into first chair as a sophomore. Unfortunately trumpet and FH took back seat to the bigger horns, except for a little during jazz band during basketball season. I can still play (if that is what you call the mating-moose-like offerings emitted by my horns nowadays) all of them, although I need to put more time into each. I now "rock" (LOL my 10 year old's word) a recent vintage silver Olds NA5M cornet with a Bach 5c, just sold my Conn 8d double FH (lamenting that now) and now desiring a decent replacement, and on the hunt for a nice 4 valve euphonium.
My 10 year old third born son started playing a King 603 cornet less than a year ago with a fresh Bach-clone 7c, and pushing my Olds's buttons now and again, and started on my pop's old 1922 Conn Victor 80A we just got when my he passed a couple months ago.
I am in a 5c Bach-clone with my recently acquired King Liberty 1918 vintage silver trumpet that I am just getting to know. I originally got it thinking my boy could play it for concerts, but I think the Conn Victor from my dad will fit that bill, at least till he needs to be on a trumpet instead of a cornet for some particular purpose. Then I will probably pick up something nice and vintage for him too, and keep the Liberty for myself (I did not even tell him about it).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was 1968 and the 'rents rented (no pun intended) a Conn Director cornet which we eventually bought and I played for six years until I bought my first trumpet, a 1974 Holton MF Horn.

Beginning mouthpiece was a Bach 7c. Later moved to a 10 1/2c for a while, then migrated to a 3c which I still play.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject: what brass instrument did you start on? Reply with quote

A new Conn director in 1960, with their 7c mpc. Three years later a Conn 36b but with a Bach 7c mpc. Later to a Bach 1c and that was the choice for years.
Bought a Benge 5 in about '73 or '74 and used a number of different mpc. combos with that a couple Jettones, a bach 10 1/2 EW that I liked. Since restarting I have a bach 3c and just ordered a 5b to try with the horn I have. I have always been a trumpet guy. Was always fascinated by french horn but they never had all the solos trumpets did so.................
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: What brass instrument did you start on? Reply with quote

trumpet56 wrote:
There are many posts discussing the size and specifications of trumpet and cornet mouthpieces'. I wonder if it relates to the instrument that we started learning on. I started playing tenor/alto horn at the age of 7, the mouthpiece on the horn was wider in diameter than the cornet or trumpet and had a deeper cup. The mouthpiece shank although shorter than the trumpet shank is the same width. I have always done best on the bigger trumpet and cornet mouthpieces although I use smaller mouthpieces on the eb/d and piccolo trumpets.

How has your first mouthpiece effected your current mouthpiece choice?


I think it does. I started on French horn and my embouchure is a bit french hornish. I tend to prefer narrow rims or rims with more inner edge bite.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started with a Blessing Cornet, bought in the 50's for my older brother. Cornet! I wish more students started on cornets, for sound concept. I still have the cornet - it looks like hell, but does play and sound pretty good.

This had a larger impact on me than the mouthpiece - my "ear" gravitates toward a "round", "mellow" concept.

Mouthpiece, I'm pretty sure I started on a Bach 10.5 C, but I know a 7C was in that mix as well - during my undergraduate work, like many, moved to a large wide open setup, then (while in the USAF Bands) realized I was working way too hard downsized a bit. Curry 3's now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started on a late forties silver King Master Model cornet with a Rudy Muck mouthpiece. My great aunt who was a band teacher came to visit and she immediately took the Rudy Muck piece and replaced it with a Bach 7c.

Sixties year later I play a early fifties Selmer K-Modified trumpet w/ a Bob Reeves 43.5V mouthpiece and a Kanstul 1525 flugelhorn w/ GR 65.6 mouthpiece.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first horns are pretty vague in my mind, but here is what I remember.

I was born and raised in the Netherlands, in Limburg, Coalmine Country.

My dad worked at the Coalmine Emma. They had community band(s).

"They" started me on French Horn. Than followed up by hobo. Somehow an Alto Eb (Tenor Horn) got thrown in the mix, followed by flugelhorn, cornet and trumpet.

The sequence is very vague. I was in two bands: Concert and Brass Band. I seemed to go to rehearsals all the time.

All horns where community horns and I have zero memory as to what mouthpieces I played. I played whatever came with the horn, except I think the Trumpet piece was a Bach 7.

I immigrated to the USA in 1968, Seattle Wash. Then to Colorado in 1970, where I bought my first trumpet, Bach 37 I think, with a Bach 7 piece.

Both my sons showed music interest real early in life. So I kept playing my own horn to encourage them.

And the rest as they say is history.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First instrument was a Magnus Chord Organ that my dad brought home from a garage sale before I was in elementary school. I used it along with the elementary books that came with it to teach myself how to read music and how to make chords.

A short while later tried an older neighbor kid's trumpet and found on first effort that I could get a better tone than him. When 5th grade came around and I got to choose an instrument I asked to play trumpet. My dad found one at a garage sale. I think it was a Renato horn. Don't recall the mouthpiece.

In junior high my mom rented-to-own a Bundy with a 7C which I played until high school when I conned her into buying me a Holton ST-302 MF horn and JetTone MF2 mouthpiece.
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