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Grits Burgh
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 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:34 pm Post subject: PFSSSSST! |
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My B&S flugelhorn has a sound that I really like. However, frequently, not always, when you depress one of the valves, it could be any one of them, you get a little PFSST sound, almost as if there is some water somewhere, or perhaps as if air were escaping or passing over a rough patch. The sound seems to coincide with both the up and down movement of the valve. The sound does not continue once the valve is all the way up or down. I've done the take it apart and scrub it in the bathtub routine, but that didn't seem to solve the problem.
Has anybody experienced this with any of their horns? Any insight?
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Grits
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Flugelnut
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| Isn't that something vented valves can do? Just an idea, no personal experience. |
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Don Herman rev2
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Check the water key corks (or springs if Amados)?
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Denny Schreffler
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: PFSSSSST! |
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| Grits Burgh wrote: | | ... when you depress one of the valves, it could be any one of them, you get a little PFSST sound, almost as if there is some water somewhere, or perhaps as if air were escaping |
Are the holes in the bottom valve caps completely open and free from obstruction?
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Grits Burgh
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Thanks for all of the input. I'm on travel but will check on these things as soon as I can.
Warm regards,
Grits
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Grits Burgh
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Okay, upon further research, it appears that the basic problem is getting water out of the 2nd valve. It seems that that the only way to do this is removing the second valve slide and blowing hard while depressing the 2nd valve. Apparently you cannot sufficiently clear the valve by blowing the water into the 2nd or 3rd valves.
I wonder if this is a common issue with flugelhorns.
Warm regards,
Grits
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zaferis
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| Grits Burgh wrote: | Okay, upon further research, it appears that the basic problem is getting water out of the 2nd valve. It seems that that the only way to do this is removing the second valve slide and blowing hard while depressing the 2nd valve. Apparently you cannot sufficiently clear the valve by blowing the water into the 2nd or 3rd valves.
I wonder if this is a common issue with flugelhorns. |
Some horns have oddities to them, BUT I'd bet that there is something hindering the moisture from moving out of the 2nd valve tubing or 2nd valve ports. Could be poor alignment, trumpet cheese, or corrosion.
Having to "blow hard" is really a work around, not a fix. Plus, it can be very annoying to those around you, and on stage. Releasing the water shouldn't be louder than your playing.. 
Give it a good cleaning (if you haven't already), check the valves for allignment (are the ports lined up properly in the up and down position), and check for any damage or poor manufacturing in those areas.
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khedger
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Grits Burgh wrote: | Okay, upon further research, it appears that the basic problem is getting water out of the 2nd valve. It seems that that the only way to do this is removing the second valve slide and blowing hard while depressing the 2nd valve. Apparently you cannot sufficiently clear the valve by blowing the water into the 2nd or 3rd valves.
I wonder if this is a common issue with flugelhorns.
Warm regards,
Grits |
Yes. I've had several horns that had water sticking and plaguing me. Someone suggested removing the second valve slide and emptying there and this fixed the problem on ALL of them..... |
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Grits Burgh
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Well, I've scrubbed the horn thoroughly. The thought of "trumpet cheese" puts me off my feed.
I might run this horn over to Rich Ita. Every time he touches one of my horns, wonderful things happen to it.
Warm regards,
Grits
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