Choosing a Cornet Mouthpiece Based on Trumpet Mouthpieces

[cheiden]

As a longtime Bach 3C player, I struggle when I try other Bach 3 variants because too many other parameters change at the same time. I did learn long ago that the stock Yamaha "4" rim feels reasonably close to your typical Bach 3C. And with Yamaha when you change other parameters like diameter and cup the rim feels largely the same. Depending on the vintage of your 3C the closest Yamaha will be in the 14 to 16 range. I'm pretty familiar with the Yamaha long shank cornet 11C4, 11B4, 14B4, and switch between them and my Bach 3C with relative ease. For a more authentic cornet sound you might have to venture over to the Yamaha short shank pieces which I've not tried.
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Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart

[Dale Proctor]

[trumanjazzguy]

Dang...
Was really hoping I could’ve bought that cornet. It is a great instrument and deserves to be played by a working professional player. Let me know if you have any interest in selling it in the future, please!
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TPT: Nova LA
CRN: Getzen 1950’s W/5.5in bell
FL: Jupiter 1100R
‘Pieces:
TPT: 34-throat shallow double-cup, Chet Baker’s Custom Schilke, Bach Corp 3, Bach Mt. Vernon 6C, Ken Titmus BF Custom(s).
CRN: NY Giardinelli 7SV.
FL: Yamaha Bobby Shew

[trumanjazzguy]

I also disagree with Dale on the mouthpiece thing. Use whatever piece is the easiest to play. For most, that doesn’t mean a deeper cup. You can get plenty a dark sound on a c cup if you relax and blow very slow hot air. The deep pieces are crutches and encourage overblowing and mask incorrect technique. They’ll also force you to let your chops deep into the cup to play high... a habit that will destroy your abilities on reasonable depth trumpet cups when you go back to them. The smaller tighter stuff requires a more efficient and correct blowing approach, and rewards you with vastly increased endurance and range.

I find for my vintage jazz work, a cornet with a shallower mouthpiece actually is the best choice to get the authentic “hot” classic jazz/traditional jazz sound. I understand that may be sacrilege to you British band guys, but then again, i don’t know anybody doing commercial contract work and gigs playing British brass band music. That’s one reason I’ve never been interested in playing BBB music... I’m too poor to play that for free! Maybe later in life!
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TPT: Nova LA
CRN: Getzen 1950’s W/5.5in bell
FL: Jupiter 1100R
‘Pieces:
TPT: 34-throat shallow double-cup, Chet Baker’s Custom Schilke, Bach Corp 3, Bach Mt. Vernon 6C, Ken Titmus BF Custom(s).
CRN: NY Giardinelli 7SV.
FL: Yamaha Bobby Shew

[Seymor B Fudd]

[GeorgeB]

I also agree with Dale.

As for myself, I play a Bach 5C ( and sometimes a B or A ) on trumpet so when I went to a cornet for the first time, I stuck with the Bach size and out of the three sizes I purchased I have found that the Bach 5A with its deeper cup gives me the sound I want. The A cup takes a little more work but for me it is worth it. I just found that after playing many different trumpet mps, looking for the right fit ( which turned out to a Bach 5C ) that it made sense to stick with the same rim size for the cornet, and for me it is the correct decision.
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GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet

[Dale Proctor]

[Craig S]

I'd rather not sound like a second rate trumpet. I found and ordered a used Bach 3 (no letter) to try out first. If it doesn't give me the sound I'm looking for, I'll look into a Stork or Curry, if I can find one in stock. If I still can't find the sound I'm looking for, I'll break down and go with a Wick and just get used to it. Thank you everyone who gave their input. I really appreciate it. It gave me the starting point that I needed!

[55Yr Comback]

Anyone ever try a Bach 3E on cornet or equivalent? Curious to know what you guys think.

[Subtropical and Subpar]

[55Yr Comback]

Interesting! Thanks for the reply.

[Dayton]

[Richard III]

[jondrowjf@gmail.com]

As a comeback player, I decided to limit my spending. So I bought four student model cornet mouthpieces (clone of Denis Wick). Have both the student model Dw 4 and 4b mouthpieces. The price of the mouthpieces on ebay are $15.99 dollars with free shipping.

King 603 cornet
Conn 18a cornet

[55Yr Comback]

To all & specifically to Richard III: Yes, you're right. I'll just bite the bullet & buy one & let you all know how it works for me. I just thought that you guys out there with vast experience might have tried a mp like that so sorry to ask across different posts. In addition, I'll take a look at the other mouthpieces on the Comparator, to see how different they may be compared to the 3E. Thanks.

[TKSop]

[55Yr Comback]

Now... If you want an opinion on this 3E idea, answer me a few questions and I'll gladly tell you whether it's an experiment I would consider worthwhile in your position.
1) What do you use now (on cornet and/or trumpet)?
2) What do you like and dislike about it?
3) What have you used in the past and why do you not anymore?
3) What sound are you after?
4) What kind of playing are you planning to use it for? In what make/model of cornet?

Hello TKSop.. Thanks for the reply & advice. I'll try & answer your questions.

1. I have a trumpet. Just bought a cornet.

2. Don't dislike anything about either instrument. With the cornet, it's seems easier to play, especially at the top of my range. This even with the Regent m/p that came with in, which is a deep V mp.

3. On the cornet; if possible, darker sound than the trumpet, AND, a dixie land honkey tonk type sound as well. (I realize that can't be done with one mouthpiece).

4. It is a Regent "long cornet" (not a shepherds hook type).

Beyond that & just to get started, looking at 3E for cornet because that's what I use on my trumpet now. To that end, I don't want something drastically different (at this point anyway), because I'm use to the 3E & don't want to throw off my embouchure with say, a traditional deep V cornet mp. I realize that the 3E will be brighter on the cornet, as it is on trumpet.

[Richard III]

[55Yr Comback]

RichardIII Thanks for your reply. Yes, looked at the Warburn sv's. Very close to 3E. Which particular Schilke "A4A" are you referring to? Have you tried any of these shallower mouthpieces with cornet? Thanks

[TKSop]