Conn 28A Issues

[jhatpro]

I have one of these beauties, the Conn Connstellation 28A long cornet. I can’t figure why it’s so much harder to play than my Bach 72R even though I am using the same mouthpiece design and size.
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.� Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

[Dennis78]

What kind of mouthpiece? Just assuming here but a more open mouthpiece may help since it’s a cornet. I’d say the leadpipe probably has a more drastic taper than a trumpet
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a few different ones

[jhatpro]

ACB TA1 on both.
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.� Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

[Andy Cooper]

"lipshurt" is probably the best source of info on the Conn - mouthpiece questions.

I can say that cornets are gap sensitive just like trumpets.

(Yes - even if the mouthpiece end of the leadpipe has no "ledge" - they are still affected by the distance from the end of the backbore to the most narrow point in the leadpipe end.)

I'm using a medium depth cup with about a 25 throat and #4 Warburton backbore on a Conn .438 bore cornet - so a huge backbore is not needed.

Try several different mouthpieces - if you find one that works better - do some measuring.

[Richard III]

How worn are the valves?
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Richard

King 1130 Flugabone
King 12C mouthpiece

[jhatpro]

Valves show very little wear. I suspect one reason its so much harder to play is the 5 1/8 inch bell. I may sell it and stick to my 80A and/or trumpet for trad gigs.
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.� Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

[Richard III]

[plp]

I had the same problem, and ended up selling almost all my .438 bore horns.

For me, if all I played were them, no problem, made the adjustment for resistance and rocked on. If I switched up with ml bore horns, had the feeling when I went back that something just wasn't right with the blow, and found myself either overblowing or losing endurance.

Today I play all .459 bore horns, except the 80-A cornet, and while I loved the Conns, especially my 6B which I still have, just am not personally good enough to make the transition.

It is also why I gave up on the valve trombone, just had too much chop confusion.
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Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth

[jhatpro]

Thanks, guys! Too many horns, not enough chops!
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.� Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

[yourbrass]

If your cornet predates 1958, it takes a Conn "short shank" mouthpiece. Mark Curry is making replicas of them and when I got one it really lit up both my old Conn cornets.
-Lionel
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Edwards X-13
ACB MV3C /ACB A1/26 backbore
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[connicalman]

it is a heavy horn, and it plays much better with a PVA. Counterintuitively, the small bore does not make for an easy blow, but the large bell makes lots from very little thing you put into it.

My experience was this: A Wick 4B made my Jupiter 520 sing above the staff, much better than the VB, Getzen or other c-cup trumpet style pieces. But when i put the DW in the 28A, it ate my lunch. It sounded great, but I lost mileage, power, and endurance. Same mpc, two very different wraps and results.

Maybe try a lighter weight, smaller bore mouthliece? The JetTone or original Connstellation mpcs work for me.
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Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A...