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Blaedryn New Member
Joined: 18 May 2018 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:50 pm Post subject: Problem with slurring |
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Hi, so I'm going into 9th grade band next year. I started playing in 7th grade. Lately I've been having a problem with my slurring. If I slur up two or more same-fingering intervals, C within the staff to G above the staff for example, you can hear the note in between pop out for a second. In the C to G case you'd hear the E for a second. I don't recall having this problem in my first year of playing, it started happening towards the end of my 8th grade year. Any ideas as to what's going on and how to fix it? |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing is most are going to ask you what does you trumpet teacher say? That is because you need one!
We can only guess at what is at play here. It may be that yo are improving as a player, and now you are aware enough to notice you are catching the harmonic in-between C & G. It may be you are developing a habit of not supporting enough as you slur. It may, at a pinch, be equipment related...
It may need some careful practice in lip slurs. Your teacher will know better than us.
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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Blaedryn New Member
Joined: 18 May 2018 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Del wrote: | The first thing is most are going to ask you what does you trumpet teacher say? That is because you need one!
We can only guess at what is at play here. It may be that yo are improving as a player, and now you are aware enough to notice you are catching the harmonic in-between C & G. It may be you are developing a habit of not supporting enough as you slur. It may, at a pinch, be equipment related...
It may need some careful practice in lip slurs. Your teacher will know better than us.
cheers
Andy |
Okay, thanks for the help. |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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This is a common problem that is remedied like all others: practice! Careful practice will eventually correct this issue. It has been a problem for almost all trumpeters. I know it happens to me occasionally as well. Slurs with skips require some extra thought.
Other technical thoughts: you don’t have to slur, very tenuto may do the job. Alternate fingerings may help as well.
Good luck! |
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Al Innella Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 755 Location: Levittown NY
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Try practicing slurring softly with a steady air stream, and concentrate on your tongue levels.Using syllables such as tah-eee when slurring from low to high should help. |
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Jerry Freedman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jan 2002 Posts: 2476 Location: Burlington, Massachusetts
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Practice and subdivide. For instance if you practice in half notes, two beats C to two peats G count in your head 1234 1234 G2341234. Be strict with yourself as you can. This is borrowed from Caruso and it helps me avoid the note in the middle and smearing the slur |
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deleted_user_680e93b New Member
Joined: 03 Apr 1996 Posts: 0
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Jerry Freedman wrote: | Practice and subdivide. For instance if you practice in half notes, two beats C to two peats G count in your head 1234 1234 G2341234. Be strict with yourself as you can. This is borrowed from Caruso and it helps me avoid the note in the middle and smearing the slur |
that is a cool little tip Jerry!
The op can also try whistling the notes, to understand the function on the tongue in these slurs, it's not exactly the same as playing them, but gives and idea as to where the tongue should be while ascending and descending!
tom |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:47 am Post subject: |
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I think a lot of young players execute these up intervals without really understanding how they do it. Too often they rely on blowing harder and pressing which is counterproductive. Careful practice, while limiting blowing hard and pressing, should allow a player to focus on the proper mechanisms that include small movements of the lip, jaw, and tongue. Sometimes a bit of pivot can help. Once productive techniques start to form you'll be better able to cleanly execute any interval.
FWIW I think the Stamp method does a great job of dialing this in. Obviously going through it with a Stamp trained teacher would be best. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Blackquill Regular Member
Joined: 03 May 2018 Posts: 74 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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If you can't get a teacher, practice slurred intervals every day. Pages 39 and 40 in the Arban's book, for instance. _________________ Trumpet is for extroverts only... no, wait... Trumpet is also for introverts who need an avenue for extrovertism! |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:38 am Post subject: |
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As has been previously noted, the absolutely best thing you can do is to discuss this with your trumpet instructor, and seek advice from him/her.
Do you have the same problem when you slur from low C to middle C (where you inadvertently play the G between them)?
Is the G above middle C a high note for you, or one that you can play comfortably? If it is at the upper end of your range it is not too surprising that you'd hit the partial below it (E) on your way to the G.
Can you comfortably tongue those intervals? For example, can you accurately tongue middle C and then the G above it, or do you still wind up playing an E instead of a G sometimes? Try an exercise like this: tongue C to G three times and then try to slur it the fourth time. Then start on B (to F#) and repeat that sequence.
This should help if the problem is that you don't have a good sense of what the note you are trying to play sounds like, and thus play like you are groping blindly for it.
Good luck! |
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