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Bstradivarius
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:11 pm    Post subject: Schagerl rotary trumpet Reply with quote

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I recently purchased a very interesting rotary trumpet from Germany. It is a Schagerl rotary trumpet, academica series. Although there is information available on the academica series for the Piston trumpets, there is no information available online for the rotary trumpet, academica series. This trumpet plays really well. The intonation is sound and it feels even playing in various registers. It has a third slide trigger and is gold plated. So, it seems to me like a professional rotary trumpet: sure plays like one. Should I consider it a standard model? However, I have nothing for reference. Any comments appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject: SCHAGERL ACADEMIA ROTARY Reply with quote

You may want to call Lee Walkowich at Washington Music Center (301) 946-8808 and get the information you need. Lee is a fine trumpet player and WMC is the US distributor for Schagerl. If you might be going to the ITG in Hershey, PA this year, stop by the WMC booth and say hello plus try the full line-up of Schagerl and Scodwell USA instruments.

All the best,

Tony Scodwell
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure they didn't send you a Horsdorf by mistake? I am half joking, half serious...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snichols wrote:
Are you sure they didn't send you a Horsdorf by mistake? I am half joking, half serious...


That's a good question because as far as I know there are no Academica rotaries, there is some intermediate rotary trumpet, the Continental I believe.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't a Academica rotary
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bstrad,

How do you know it is a schagerl academia? Is it stamped on the horn?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Academica is stamped on the bell. Plays excellently nevertheless, good quality, sound, intonation, etc. I suspected the same thing as you, but it is clearly stamp academica.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject: Schagerl ACADEMIA ROTARY Reply with quote

I just spoke with Lee Walkowich at Washington Music Center and he read to me from the current Schagerl price list. There is no Academia rotary listed now or in the past but he certainly doesn't question what you've posted about your horn, clearly stamped Academia on the bell. He also said the lower priced Schagerl rotary called the Salzburg model is also no longer listed and mentioned that some of those were finished in gold lacquer as opposed to gold plate. It's possible that Karl Schagerl, with 93 dealers worldwide, may have made some Salzburg models that were stamped Academia for some reason and finished with gold lacquer. Was your horn purchased in Germany?

I hope this helps somewhat.

Tony Scodwell
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony:

Purchased used from a german brass shop. I wrote to Karl Schagerl and he did confirm there WAS an Academica rotary series, though by his tone I am sure he prefers his current rotary series. Good guy and responded promptly. If the Academica is that good, I can't imagine how good the Meister/Wien/Horsdorf lines are. I'll have to check em out some time.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: So I have ordered a Salzburg from Lee Walkowich. I can play them side by side to determine if this is a Salzburg in disguise, or something else. I love mysteries. I will follow up soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Schagerl Brass Reply with quote

How do Schagerl brass instruments compare to say US made instruments. Where do they fall in craftsmanship/quality. Do they play like say Bach, Conn, Kanstul, Yamaha, etc?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Bach Stradivarius piston B flat and C. I could not comment on American made rotaries; never played one. Hard to find though!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schagerls are top of the line, handmade instruments. Their rotary C trumpets (especially the Horsdorf Heavy model) are extremely common among the top symphony orchestras in the United States.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get around much but the only Schagerl horns I see are being played by the Mnozil Brass, both standard rotary and the vertical rotary, along with piston horns. Actually played a friend's Gansch Horn at a music camp once. Pretty cool. This horn was beautiful and appeared to be very well made.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karl's shop and factory are world class, and they make 100% of their instruments now.

My visit in 2012 was when they had just installed a CAD machine and were now making rotary valve sets. Before the they purchased these from specialist suppliers.

Sooooo, it may be that in the past, they used other parts, or even stencil horns. (Gasp) We will never be able to ask Zig, but on my visit to Schagerl, there was a second hand Shargerl piston C trumpet on the wall. Looked and blew just like my Kanstul/Besson C, right down to the first valve saddle from Allied parts, beige style 3rd valve slide and valve caps...

And totally denied with a broad smile by the man!

they are a quality outfit and make extraordinarily good instruments. My C always gets positive comments.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: Schagerl rumpets Reply with quote

You need to get out more...virtually all major orchestras have a set of Schagerl rotary trumpets worldwide. Mnozil Brass are just a bit more in the publics eye with their Schagerl instruments.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I recently received the Salzburg model in the mail. I am just too busy to go and test out of state. But I am comparing this horn with the mysterious Gold plated Schagerl Academica Bb trumpet. From the outset, the Schagerl Salzburg is definitely not the same horn as the Schagerl Academica. The design is completely different. I am not sure how old the Salzburg design is, but I have a feeling this is a newer design. I have not seen or tried any older Salzburg.

The Academica stamp is parallel to the lip of the bell, on top, rather than perpendicular and to the side, like on the Salzburg..

They both play differently, though I can't say one is better than the other. Both very solid and good players. Both valve mechamisms work well. The academica may have more play on notes like middle G, if playing with a Breslmaier mouthpiece. The Academica is darker with the same Breslmaier mouthpiece, but you can get brighten it to the Salzburg/Breslmaier combo with a different equivalent sized Warburton mouthpiece. I can't say one is easier to play than the other. Both are elegant. Both need security in the playing. I can say that the trigger mechanism on the newer Schagerl is improved, though the other is also good.

No one I play with cares which one I play on.

I prefer the lacquered Salzburg, a tried and true model, but I wont badmouth the Academica either. This Academica slipped through the cracks: nobody has heard of it except Schagerl himself. I just can't deal with the delicacy of the gold plating. The Salzburg is newer and came with a case and valve oils, and was cheaper. Plus I can only afford to keep one. I have survived the gold fever and am inclined to sell the Academica if the Salzburg checks out. But if I don't get my price, I'm keeping both.

Thanks for reading my rant.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Schageral Academica Reply with quote

Thanks for this thread. I was also wondering, why not a Academica rotary if they have trumpets and cornets? I guess Schageral recognizes they have pricing power as long as there are few rotaries in circulation. The Taiwanese factories could probably make excellent budget rotaries, but I'm speculating they don't want to step on toes and lose the contract with the Austrian company.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jupiter made some time ago a budget rotary trumpet , the JP 806 that is said to be not bad. Sort of usable student rotary. You sometimes see them on ebay Germany for around 600-800 euro. I don't think there is a big market for budget rotary trumpets. The Schagerl Salzburg is not cheap so no budget horn, maybe you can call it at +/- 2200 euro an intermediate in the rotary world.
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Curious what young students in Austria learn trumpet on? Do Austrian parents and school districts just foot the bill for a $5000 instrument?
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