Alternative to top warburton 4M

Ximo_molina · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:14 am Post subject: Alternative to top warburton 4M

Hi. I currently play with a Warburton 4M top, but I am looking for alternatives (maybe a little bigger ... but only a little, not as much as 4MD)
I was recommended to try monette 6, GR66M, Bob Reeves 43M, etc. some opinion of their experiences (bad and good).

Thanks!!

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giakara · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:14 am Post subject:

Hello I use to play 3M for many years and at some point I have try a Reeves 43M,for me the Reeves works much better and after 15 years I still play them.

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Scott42486 · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:00 am Post subject:

So for clarification purposes: when you say you want to try something "bigger" do you mean a deeper cup or a wider diameter? Or do you just want something a little more open? If you like Warburton then there are solutions so you can make small adjustments rather than trying to figure out sizing on another brand.

Deeper: try a 4MC. It's literally right in the middle between the M and the MD.

Wider: there are two options. 1) 3M or 2) call/email and order a half-size piece. When asked, they can do a piece in between their normal diameters. You could ask for something between a 3 and 4.
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maynard-46 · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:12 am Post subject: Alternative to top warburton 4M

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Deeper: try a 4MC. It's literally right in the middle between the M and the MD.

I have to disagree with this statement! The "M" cup and the "MC" cup HAVE THE SAME CUP VOLUME. The DIFFERENCE between the two is the different shaped cups. The "M" has more of a "V" shape and the "MC" has a flat-bottomed bowl shape. In actuality, IMO, the "MC" feels shallower to me and would me MUCH easier to bottom out on opposed to the "M" cup.

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Ximo_molina · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:33 am Post subject:

Numbering 4 is good for me. Yes, as he writes - the top 4mc feels more superficial to me than the 4m. I think the intermediate point between 4md and 4m is similar to a 3d bach or not as big as 3c
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Ximo_molina · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:06 pm Post subject:

Currently I own 4SV, 4M, 4MC and 4MD. in the MD and M I have never had the sensation of touching the wall, but in the SV and MC if it has happened to me.
I only speak from my personal experience. Because of my tests, I have always seen the Warburton chart a bit imprecise in equivalences. (I do not want to offend anyone with this)
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delano · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:19 am Post subject:

Try the Arturo cup, maybe just a little bigger, also deeper with a great form. Wonderful cup in the 4 range.

Ximo_molina · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:07 am Post subject:

hello,
a friend has lent me a monette silver 6, usually compare with warburton 4 top, but to me it seems smaller, like a top 5.

the first feeling when playing is really great, very comfortable, good air pass, better range, flexibility, everything complete! there is only one drawback, the intonation. I have a hard time keeping it stable, since the G note the intonation begins to rise significantly. Is that because I'm not used to playing with this type of backbores and throats? everything else is great ... if I knew that little by little the intonation would go to the site, it is a mouthpiece to take into consideration for me.
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Christian K. Peters · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:45 am Post subject: alternative top to Warburton 4M

Hello all,
The OP might consider a 4MC. There are subtle differences between the new, the Lauderdale and say the Rodriguez model. I have all three and they are just too wide for me. I play the 5 series with various cups for venues/horns.
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matthes93401 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 640

A 4M anchor grip in delrin feels roomier than a 4M.

plp · Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject:

I switched to Stork, from Warburton, because I found a couple mouthpieces included with a horn I bought.

At that time I had been playing a Warburton 6 diameter, the Stork 10 size actually felt bigger, due to the inner rim contour, but miccs as smaller, more compatible with the Warburton 8. I tried the 8 and found it too small, but the Stork was juuuust right.

It is what I have played exclusively for 4 years.

I would urge anyone, give the Stork Studio Master lineup a try.
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