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Andy Del
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is not a single DW mouthpiece in my life, or those of my students. We appear to be surviving OK.

Just food for thought, that.

From my perspective, Wick rims are just not designed at all, they are essentially a rounded off square, add the deep V cup, big throat and narrow backbore I saw on those originals, no wonder I simply could not play at all on them.

They may work for some, and that's fine for them. I'll just continue to use them as sinkers or interesting object for wreck divers to find. (Sorry about that Nige!)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes mr. Del, life is not easy. There has once been a topic here about the backbores of the Wick mouthpieces. There was a certain agreement here that a Wick 4B has something like a 10 Warburton backbore, not particularly narrow. The specs indicate V-type for the B-cups, Opne for the no-letter ones.
BTW I believe that it's quite difficult to judge the backbore of that mouthpieces separately.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95469&sid=24b79f27717c7d399776c5b2944968d7

No science but opinions seem to differ.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LSOfanboy wrote:
Seymor B Fudd wrote:
delano wrote:
The only thing I tried to say is that from my strictly personal point of view the sound of the classic 4B is much more interesting than the sound of the Heritage 4 though the playability of the latter is much better than that of the former.


I could add this, from a very personal point of view: in the front row of our brass band 3 guys plays classic wicks, one (me) Wick Ultra and one a Heritage. The Heritage guy, a very talented young man has a superb sound with a round, deep, singing quality and - a clarity of sound not displayed by the classical Wicks which in my humble opinion sound more muddled!
Of course this could be the man not the mouthpiece - but I sincerely doubt that.
But but, we all have personal opinions


In the most respectful way possible; this is almost certainly about the man and not the mouthpiece.

What is more, if you think the mouthpiece is having an effect, you need to make sure you are comparing like with like. Denis Wick makes a whole range of cornet mouthpieces with varied inner dimensions.

A 4B has a different tonal character to a 4, as does a 3, 3B or any other. IF the mouthpiece was having an effect it is far more likely its to do with the different inner dimensions rather than whether it is a classic or heritage shape. Unless you know for sure all players are on identical sizes, you can't even start beginning to think about the outer shape of the mouthpieces!

All the best


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

delano wrote:
LSOfanboy wrote:
Seymor B Fudd wrote:
delano wrote:
The only thing I tried to say is that from my strictly personal point of view the sound of the classic 4B is much more interesting than the sound of the Heritage 4 though the playability of the latter is much better than that of the former.


I could add this, from a very personal point of view: in the front row of our brass band 3 guys plays classic wicks, one (me) Wick Ultra and one a Heritage. The Heritage guy, a very talented young man has a superb sound with a round, deep, singing quality and - a clarity of sound not displayed by the classical Wicks which in my humble opinion sound more muddled!
Of course this could be the man not the mouthpiece - but I sincerely doubt that.
But but, we all have personal opinions


In the most respectful way possible; this is almost certainly about the man and not the mouthpiece.

What is more, if you think the mouthpiece is having an effect, you need to make sure you are comparing like with like. Denis Wick makes a whole range of cornet mouthpieces with varied inner dimensions.

A 4B has a different tonal character to a 4, as does a 3, 3B or any other. IF the mouthpiece was having an effect it is far more likely its to do with the different inner dimensions rather than whether it is a classic or heritage shape. Unless you know for sure all players are on identical sizes, you can't even start beginning to think about the outer shape of the mouthpieces!

All the best


Mr. Fudd loves his opinions, I never react because I don't want to spoil that.


They all play Wick 4B:s. 4 B or not to 4 B..
Oh yes I just love my opinion!! I recall a fine book by Ray Bradbury: Something Wicked this Way Comes
But the Heritage guy has a Yamaha Xeno cornet so it may be about the horn.....while 2 guys have Getzen Eterna, I have a Getzen Custom (3850?) and the guy next to me a Sovereign. All men are not alike
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been playing a 4b on trumpet and really like it. I also bought a heritage cornet mouthpiece, but it felt like my lips poked over the rim in a funny way. It's a funny mouthpiece because I've seen it described as Wick's attempt to recreate a 7c, but it also seems bigger/different. I hadn't realized it had the v cup and I thought I'd seen the throat/backbore described as standard. Playing on a Wick made me aware I like a flatter mouthpiece and feel more anchored.

I do wish there were better descriptions/comparisons of Wick out there. I also bought a mm2c when I saw one on sale, and it's hard for me to figure out what exactly it is.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote:
I've been playing a 4b on trumpet and really like it. I also bought a heritage cornet mouthpiece, but it felt like my lips poked over the rim in a funny way. It's a funny mouthpiece because I've seen it described as Wick's attempt to recreate a 7c, but it also seems bigger/different. I hadn't realized it had the v cup and I thought I'd seen the throat/backbore described as standard. Playing on a Wick made me aware I like a flatter mouthpiece and feel more anchored.

I do wish there were better descriptions/comparisons of Wick out there. I also bought a mm2c when I saw one on sale, and it's hard for me to figure out what exactly it is.


I don't think the trumpet 4B and the cornet 4B are necessarily similar.
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