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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is something all trumpet players need to at least be aware of:

I was diagnosed with Glaucoma at 42 years old (young for Glaucoma). This was not hereditary as I know of no one else in my family that ever had it. When I asked my doctor how bad it was he said "one eye was bad and the other one was not quite that good". Luckily mine was caught in the early stages with no to little permanent damage but I will be on medication all my life to keep it from getting worse. There are no early symptoms for Glaucoma. I went to my eye doctor because of having headaches after working on the PC all day. Luckily he checked for Glaucoma and discovered it.

I read in an article years ago that a doctor in Chicago had ran many tests on brass players (not just trumpet players) and came to the conclusion that Glaucoma was definitely higher than average for brass players. I wrote the doctor requesting more detailed information but never received it.

I would suggest any brass player to be sure and have regular eye check ups with Glaucoma tests. You may want to also tell your physician that you are a brass player so they can better monitor your pressure. The tests are simple & painless with so much to loose if you don't.

Not sure if brass playing caused mine Glaucoma or not but when I was younger like most other young trumpet players I was going for range and quantity, not quality like I do now. I still play but player smarter letting the air do the work and play more relaxed.

Have fun playing trumpet but please take care of yourself! If you don't nobody will.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That really sucks. I heard the exact same thing a couple of years ago. My mum called and left a 6 minute message on my machine rambling about the rammifications of 'blowing that horn of yours'.

What kind of medication do they have you on? Here in Washington state folks are pretty open minded about different laws and make a great (from what I understand of it, which is not a lot) medication available. Not a lot of other state have bought into the 'medicinal' qualities of different substances.... or have they???

Best of luck to you, I hope this won't stop your playing from here on out!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick,

I'm on a medication called "Timolol". There are also two type of Glaucoma, open angle & closed angle. I have open angle which is the better type to have I understand.

I do still play some and love it. In the last 6 months I have switched to Monette pieces, using the air much more efficiently and plan to keep playing. The playing I do now doesn't require a lot of range (and time). Those are both good things for me right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez You guys are starting to scare me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with George.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry to hear that....I started this thread in "High Range Development" about Deadly Health Risks to "High not-ing"...and everyone told me about Gloucoma and stuff and blowing out your neck...yikes....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well. Even though it seems decriminalization is never going to happen in the states...a study was done showing that the OCCASIONAL use of certain mary jane will actually reduce the risk of glaucoma in that it releases the pressure behind your eyes. This is a scientific study. Anyways. Maybe for some of you in the states, this may not be an option, but for canada! it's a possibility!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-07-23 16:57, mumbles wrote:
Well. Even though it seems decriminalization is never going to happen in the states...a study was done showing that the OCCASIONAL use of certain mary jane will actually reduce the risk of glaucoma in that it releases the pressure behind your eyes. This is a scientific study. Anyways. Maybe for some of you in the states, this may not be an option, but for canada! it's a possibility!!!
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Hey Mumbles.
That's what I was getting at in my post a little farther up. In Washington it is legal to grow, harvest and prescribe for Glaucoma and some other ailments. Mostly stuff that causes big time nausea. Like I said, there has got to be something said for preventative medicine. And no, Marajuana will NEVER be legal in the US. It's way too profitable for the government and their 'just-say-no' people to stop. Even more profitable than charging a 'sin' tax like they do on tobacco here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Music to the ears; sour note for the eyes
ORLANDO, Florida (AP)

-- The sound of a trumpet may be music to your ears but Dr. Theodore Krupin says it's bad news for musicians.

Brass musicians put strain on their eyes as they blow higher notes. That added pressure around the eye could put them at risk of developing glaucoma and ultimately blindness, Krupin says.

Glaucoma is one of the most common causes of blindness. It is often associated with increased pressure in the eye, which damages the end of the optic nerve where it is attached to the back of the eye. The same pressure occurs in the eyes when you lift a heavy object.

Krupin, an ophthalmologist at Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago, says that musicians should take their horns to their doctor's office and have their eye pressure measured.

Krupin says that brief strains are not thought to be harmful to the eyes, but musicians are especially at risk because they practice four to six hours a day.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The UNT Musician Health Survey

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine developed glaucoma and stopped playing trumpet for quite a while. In order to continue to play, he moved to an instrument with much less back pressure and now he is one heck of a tubaist for brass quintet.

Fortunately, he is a fairly successful dentist so he can afford what tubas cost! He's also the guy that I'm most likely to go to if I ever need any extensive work on my teeth because I know that he will truly understand my needs as a trumpet player before he goes in and monkeys with my teeth.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-07-26 10:14, walter wrote:
Hey dudes-

It's not just the smoke that troubles people. I haven't used for many, many, many years. Of course, glaucoma could change my mind.

Have you heard of, learned more about, or used hemp derived products? The cloth outperforms both many natural [cotton, wool, etc.] and synthetic materials. Other derivatives can replace or complement a vast variety of products. If farmers could grow it here in the States, they'd be better off, and it would be incredibly cheap [it used to grow almost everywhere]. The environment would be helped, since it's a renewable, very useful resource that doesn't require much technology [George Washington and many founding "fathers" grew it as a cash crop] or chemical support.

Too bad that so many people like having the government keep us safe from ourselves, even when they're ignorant of the data. Too bad that some people won't let others live according to their own values and intelligence.

The thing is, that those of us who know better can bring up issues such as these when we get a chance ... such as seeing a thread on a Forum like this ... or talking about it with friends and family [tell them that wide-spread hemp farming would actually decrease the potency of the killer weed. It's true!] ... or checking out the facts more and writing a letter to the editor or a congressperson.

Don't let either glaucoma or the ignorance of the masses narrow your vision. Toot your own horn. Change is inevitable, and our little actions can speed up change for the better. Get high on high range development; keep the wider view by promoting what's good for you and nobody else's business.

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Excellent points Walter! I've used as much hemp as I can over the years: clothes, hemp oil (great on hardwood floors!) etc.

I don't think it will ever be legalized, as there are TONS of people cashing checks for various government programs (ie. $250 hammers, $3000 toilet seats, etc) that support the 'Just Say No' crap.

If the government was to legalize the growth, production and use, you're absolutely right, quality control would plummet. The price would go down significantly. All those jobs (slackers!) for people going round to tell you Just Say No would go away. Hardly any new jobs would be created, as farmers would (or could) switch crops and the same folks would probably keep working.

It's only a misdemenor here in Washington to have it, up to 40g. (more than an ounce!, or LID for you old folks ) unless you have it 'packaged' in seperate containers. Then you get cozy with your bunkmate BillyRay.

I don't think the American economic system could hang with legalization. Too bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was diagnosed with glaucoma several years ago. I started playing the trumpet in my early teens, but I really don't think it had anything to do with my glaucoma because my grandmother, on my mom's side, went blind with glaucoma. In my case, doc felt it was hereditary. Some damage was done to one eye before I caught mine, so I do promote the idea of regular eye checkups. I am well up in my years and am not a high range player so I am not concerned about further damage, and I see an eye specialist every 6 to 8 months.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternative medicine are more accepted now a days due to it's promising results unlike pharmaceutical medicine, alternative medicine don't give negative effect such as kidney and liver problems when it comes to long term use. As for my alternative medicine usage, I use medical marijuana to cure my glaucoma. Different strain has a variety of uses and effect depending on your needs. Like this marijuana strain https://blimburnseeds.com/guanabana.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, it is somewhat common knowledge that IOP, (intraocular pressure) goes up significantly when playing high notes. It goes back to normal levels after resting.

My retinal surgeon checks my IOP every 6 weeks, (due to other issues). My IOP is ok. I asked him if I could resume trumpet playing and he said yes.

Having regular eye checkups is probably a prudent idea for trumpet players.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mumbles wrote:
Well. Even though it seems decriminalization is never going to happen in the states...a study was done showing that the OCCASIONAL use of certain mary jane will actually reduce the risk of glaucoma in that it releases the pressure behind your eyes. This is a scientific study. Anyways. Maybe for some of you in the states, this may not be an option, but for canada! it's a possibility!!!
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I was far far ahead of the curve on this one and began preventive therapy in 1969. It was my impression that this was a well known remedy as I first became aware of it standing around with the Woody Herman band on break, and also later observed with Stan Kenton’s band. Glaucoma must have been rampant in Big Bands in the 60’s and 70’s.
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