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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Doc and Freddie Hubbard Reply with quote

In terms of influences, it seems Doc at some point admired Freddie's playing and worked to achieve cascade running lines and patterns pioneered by Hubbard in the 60's.

There is a '69 - '72 recording of Doc on a rousing rock number not found on YT, now just an old cassette from unknown source. There is Fender Guitar out front, and a rapid tempo change in the middle..the solo work is fairly similar to..
@ 3:20 here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggw14bPa_fk

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddiedie🎺👹🤯
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Doc and Freddie Hubbard Reply with quote

rothman wrote:
In terms of influences, it seems Doc at some point admired Freddie's playing and worked to achieve cascade running lines and patterns pioneered by Hubbard in the 60's.

There is a '69 - '72 recording of Doc on a rousing rock number not found on YT, now just an old cassette from unknown source. There is Fender Guitar out front, and a rapid tempo change in the middle..the solo work is fairly similar to..
@ 3:20 here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggw14bPa_fk

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This recording is Freddie, not Doc.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Doc and Freddie Hubbard Reply with quote

PH wrote:
rothman wrote:
In terms of influences, it seems Doc at some point admired Freddie's playing and worked to achieve cascade running lines and patterns pioneered by Hubbard in the 60's.

There is a '69 - '72 recording of Doc on a rousing rock number not found on YT, now just an old cassette from unknown source. There is Fender Guitar out front, and a rapid tempo change in the middle..the solo work is fairly similar to..
@ 3:20 here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggw14bPa_fk

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This recording is Freddie, not Doc.


I know Doc can’t play like that, but Freddie can’t play like Doc either. Great to have them both but I’m a Freddie guy🎃
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below, just in terms of influencing him.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the direct influence is from allen vizzutti
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is interesting, yet Doc displayed a standout ability of creating more of the longer fluid phrases, with smooth weaving in and out of lower and middle registers at rapid clip, which were the hallmark of Freddie.

He doesn't get much credit for this.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He just couldn’t do it to the high degree Freddie did but then I’ll bet Freddie didn’t read much either?? I don’t know. Doc was more technically oriented although Hubbard was a clean machine. Doc could do about anything and be very good at it all maybe Freddie was too but I’ve only heard him do jazz and that shows.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't hear any analogous "cascade running lines". Could somebody provide timings that illustrate this? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
I really don't hear any analogous "cascade running lines". Could somebody provide timings that illustrate this? Thanks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFSkMykhEsI

When it happened I can't say, but sometime during the late sixties he showed he was adept at extending, connecting phrases, often in double time, to have a more fluid style.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, but how do the two compare? Also, are you sure that Steve Allen video doesn't predate the link to Doc?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“You and the Night and the Music” was from a 1968 recording. The Steve Allen clip was from the early 1980s.

I love both Doc and Freddie. But once you get past the amazing dexterity they couldn’t be more different.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I didn't know Steve Allen had a show that late.
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