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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:15 am    Post subject: How many Lawlers? Reply with quote

I'm a big fan of Lawler trumpets (i own two TL5 and one C7). I always wondered if anyone know the exact number of trumpets per model that Roy Lawler built in his career. I know there's a total of about 1500, but this amount includes all models as well as cornets, C trumpets and flugelhorns.
Before you say i've already asked Lawler but at that time he didn't answered to may email.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I belive only Roy can answer to this question but as you said he don't answer to mails, from trumpet players i guess becose a friend of mine send him a mail for a new trombone and he recive a fast reply, that is a big problem specialy if one of us need a replacement part for his horn like a leadpipe or something like that.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt that even Roy could accurately answer your question. Over time he used at least three different valve manufacturers. He made "customized" horns so even the assigned models were far from the same. He also made several piccolo trpts, many fanfare trumpets, flugels, cornets and a couple of "lead horns" that didn't make it to the market place, but were dubbed the "E" horn (experimental?). Probably, by far his best selling "model" was the C7, followed by the TL5, TL6 and the PS1. But all came in different configurations. Even the C7 had two different tuning slide configurations (the C7 and the C7c). Around 2005 there was also a few "brief case horns" that featured a screw-on #21 bell that fit in a business brief case customized by Roy. Only because I kept records I can count 12 different models I owned over a period of about 20 years. I still own a pre-Getzen flugel.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's this, but it's only through 2013:

http://www.electrotheremin.com/lawler.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The models I remember all those years I collect Lawlers (I had six of them including STS and SLS horns)

Early Bb's with #21,#23,#24,#25,#26 bells
TL 's most popular TL5-1A TL6-1A
Ps1 model
Model T
Model B (Benge copy)the only non reverse leadpipe Lawler
Star model
C7 , C7c
M7

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1966 Selmer 3 valve picc.
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1994 Lawler 23CT cornet
1917 Conn 81A cornet
2017 Carol mini pocket
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
The models I remember all those years I collect Lawlers (I had six of them including STS and SLS horns)

Early Bb's with #21,#23,#24,#25,#26 bells
TL 's most popular TL5-1A TL6-1A
Ps1 model
Model T
Model B (Benge copy)the only non reverse leadpipe Lawler
Star model
C7 , C7c
M7

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Good memory. I forgot about the Model T.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mafields627 wrote:
There's this, but it's only through 2013:

http://www.electrotheremin.com/lawler.html


From this list only 9 TL-5 (my favorite Lawler horn) were built at that date (2013) … if this list is correct i suspect a maximum of, don't know, maybe 20-30 TL-5 around in the whole world? If this is correct i'll treasure mine much more than i already do.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess is much more , this is not the complete list until 2013 bur only the owners that registered they horns to the site , I belive that is around 150 to 250 TL5-1A.

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2003 Lawler TL6R-1A Bb
1993 Getzen Eterna C
1966 Selmer 3 valve picc.
1973 Yamaha 731 flugel
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1994 Lawler 23CT cornet
1917 Conn 81A cornet
2017 Carol mini pocket
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
I guess is much more , this is not the complete list until 2013 bur only the owners that registered they horns to the site , I belive that is around 150 to 250 TL5-1A.

Regards


This is more reasonable, but still a very little amount if compared to other big names in the industry. Still a very valuable horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree but in the market the Lawler horns are quite low in price's, lucky for me becose I sold a Van Laar CF and with the money I buy two Lawlers , a TL6R-1A and a long model cornet .

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2003 Lawler TL6R-1A Bb
1993 Getzen Eterna C
1966 Selmer 3 valve picc.
1973 Yamaha 731 flugel
1998 Getzen eterna 850 cornet
1994 Lawler 23CT cornet
1917 Conn 81A cornet
2017 Carol mini pocket
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I forgot about the Model T.


I have a Model T large bore. Really nice horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
I agree but in the market the Lawler horns are quite low in price's, lucky for me becose I sold a Van Laar CF and with the money I buy two Lawlers , a TL6R-1A and a long model cornet .

Regards


And for me the TL6R-1A plays ten times better than the Van Laar CF.

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2003 Lawler TL5-1A Bb
2003 Lawler TL6R-1A Bb
1993 Getzen Eterna C
1966 Selmer 3 valve picc.
1973 Yamaha 731 flugel
1998 Getzen eterna 850 cornet
1994 Lawler 23CT cornet
1917 Conn 81A cornet
2017 Carol mini pocket
Reeves /Purviance mpc's
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
giakara wrote:
I agree but in the market the Lawler horns are quite low in price's, lucky for me becose I sold a Van Laar CF and with the money I buy two Lawlers , a TL6R-1A and a long model cornet .

Regards


And for me the TL6R-1A plays ten times better than the Van Laar CF.

Regards


Is the TL6R-1A very different in sound and response from the TL-5 1A?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exacly the same body but with tuning slide post and different shape,material bell , rose brass, bigger bell throat but smaller bell rim (accept if is a #6L bell) and French bead.
Perfect for jazz combo and I'd you try it with a real deep mpc like my Reeves 43C2J it sounds like a melting chocolate but with a shalow piece works great for commercial purposes a real chameleon! !!!

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2003 Lawler TL6R-1A Bb
1993 Getzen Eterna C
1966 Selmer 3 valve picc.
1973 Yamaha 731 flugel
1998 Getzen eterna 850 cornet
1994 Lawler 23CT cornet
1917 Conn 81A cornet
2017 Carol mini pocket
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