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JerseyChris New Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2018 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: Been 20 years...help me bring back my chops! |
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I’m just starting out with the mouthpiece trying to get my chops back up in shape. (Over a week now) Got trumpet back up to playing condition, but haven’t touched it yet. Not since high school. There’s a lot that I forgot about mouthpieces, ways to practice building my embouchure (Anyone on Youtube to follow) and MOST IMPORTANTLY ways to know I’m progressing properly.
Working with Yamaha 11C4, 14b4, 14a4a mouthpieces
Any advice direction greatly appreciated. |
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dershem Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 1884 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Where are you at? Find someone to work with you. DO long tones and lip slurs, using as little pressure as possible. Focus on tone to start with. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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LSOfanboy Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Jul 2018 Posts: 347
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Been 20 years...help me bring back my chops! |
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JerseyChris wrote: | I’m just starting out with the mouthpiece trying to get my chops back up in shape. (Over a week now) Got trumpet back up to playing condition, but haven’t touched it yet. Not since high school. There’s a lot that I forgot about mouthpieces, ways to practice building my embouchure (Anyone on Youtube to follow) and MOST IMPORTANTLY ways to know I’m progressing properly.
Working with Yamaha 11C4, 14b4, 14a4a mouthpieces
Any advice direction greatly appreciated. |
If you are literally just starting out after 20 years, I would suggest that 'working with' 3 different mouthpieces is a bit silly.
Your first aim is to find an element of consistency to your playing, so that you can achieve the same result every time; this is hard enough as it is, let alone changing the mouthpiece too. You are a long long way off being good enough to gain any discernible benefit from the different nuances of deeper/shallower mouthpieces and so using more than one is nothing but detrimental to your development.
So the very first piece of advice is to put two of those mouthpieces away (definitely the 14A4a and then one of the others) and focus on finding a reliable fundamental technique. Don't even think about mouthpieces for (very very minimum) a year, and really I would say 3 or 4 years.
Hope that can help a little bit.
All the best |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2309 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:08 am Post subject: |
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YUP, put the 11C4 and 14A4A in a box, and forget where you put that box.
With the 14B4, work long tones, flow studies, scales, etudes, etc.
build a DAILY routine that starts mid-staff, soft dynamics and builds in all directions-up, down, adding articulation, various tempos, and patterns that includes plenty of rest.
Then move onto what you're working on, escerpts, etudes, solos, texts, etc.... _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:35 am Post subject: |
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As others have said: don’t worry about mouthpieces (though you probably want to use something “moderate”, ie, not huge or very small), and finding a teacher will speed your process. A LOT.
And welcome back!
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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ryanmuckenfuss Regular Member
Joined: 26 Oct 2018 Posts: 20 Location: Fort Mill, SC
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Been 20 years...help me bring back my chops! |
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JerseyChris wrote: | I’m just starting out with the mouthpiece trying to get my chops back up in shape. (Over a week now) Got trumpet back up to playing condition, but haven’t touched it yet. Not since high school. There’s a lot that I forgot about mouthpieces, ways to practice building my embouchure (Anyone on Youtube to follow) and MOST IMPORTANTLY ways to know I’m progressing properly.
Working with Yamaha 11C4, 14b4, 14a4a mouthpieces
Any advice direction greatly appreciated. |
Don't rely on mouthpieces pick one and develop your distinct sound if you're just starting out. Also long tones and free buzzing( if you can do it) may help . Getting a good etude book and finding a practice buddy usually helps too. Personal opinion I would learn on the 14b4 probably the most moderate out of those 3. _________________ Jupiter 1100s
Olds Opera
Yamaha Xeno
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:52 am Post subject: |
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I agree about sticking with a single mouthpiece for now. Use that and a consistent daily routine to build your foundation.
FWIW I'm a fan of the Stamp method that will provide guidance on limited amounts of daily buzzing (free and/or mouthpiece) prior to work on the horn. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8964 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Plus: "Mitchell on Trumpet" Vols I then II or.
"100 Progressive Lessons for Trumpet for the Beginning or Comeback Player", by David Hickman.
Lowell Little, "Embouchure Builder", then Earl Irons, "27 Groups of
Exercises" and/or Schlossberg, "Daily Drills and Exercises". _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn
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bear30101 Regular Member
Joined: 05 Sep 2015 Posts: 89 Location: Ga.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: |
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My opinions only: If you can get a teacher that has a good reputation, do so and stay away from opinions on the internet from people you don't know, (like me) and give your teacher some trust for a few months. If you cannot get a teacher, I humbly suggest the following:
1. If your first introduction to the trumpet was (A) very successful, AND (B) mouthpiece playing was integral, please take into account that playing the mouthpiece is more strenuous than playing the mouthpiece/ leadpipe combination, and much more so than the complete trumpet. Therefore, practice with the mouthpiece alone should be softer, lower, shorter duration, and with longer rest periods. (IMHO)
If you did not have (A) a great initial experience playing, AND (B) mouthpiece-primary practice as integral to that success, IMHO, put down and step away from the mouthpiece playing for now.
2. I'm using Greg Spence's approach with my students and the beginners are doing especially well with it. (Mystery To Mastery, WindWorks) He has many free videos and a free trial offer.
3. While some very basic factual information on mouthpieces may be available and helpful, like the difference between a 6a4 and a 6a4a, opinions on specific mouthpieces for YOU, from people who have no idea of your physical characteristics, playing capabilities, sound concept, or qualities/condition of your horn, are, IMHO, likely more harmful than not.
4. There are, however, many good recommendations for teachers available on this site.
5. Good luck! Welcome back! _________________ searching |
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