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iiipopes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, since I did not want to pay much, a used Jupiter pocket trumpet will work just about as well as anything. Decent tone, decent intonation for what a pocket trumpet is.
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a carol pocket mini and like it. I've actually left it at my parents house now so I can play when I'm there.

I think pockets are just fun and we live in a golden age of brass--youtube tutorials, so much materials online for free, easy to find cornets and flugels and pocket trumpets, the big brands are going strong and there are also a gazillion little brands. It's a great time to play
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a $1150 offer for a Carol Brass with those specifications:

5.25" gold brass bell
Gold lacquer removable parts and trim
Satin silver bell, with gold polished inside bell lacquer
Silver plated body
Heavy finger caps "New Monette Styled"

A Brasspire P7 from Ikebe Gakki costs about the same.
The Brasspire will ship in about 2 months after production, while the Carol Brass from 4 to 6.

Still cannot decide on which one - both sound great on video.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play a pocket trumpet on 125+ gigs a year. I've gone through a few over the last 30 years. I splurged on a Carol several years ago and it was a good investment. I play one mostly because it's one less thing to carry. It fits in my guitar gig bag. I also carry a guitar rig and a full P.A. so trying to stay compact. I do bring a full size horn when we play weddings. Honestly though it's become kind of my signature thing. People ask me "Where is the little horn" if I play the full size horn on a club date. Of course when first time fans laugh and point and make diminutive gestures towards me I get a bit insecure. But it's how you use it. Right? I've finally decided to fully commit and purchased a Benge pocket trumpet last week. Wow! Fantastic.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what model horn this is, but he seems to be able to make it work pretty good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moUOqP9ZD08
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyson wrote:
I play a pocket trumpet on 125+ gigs a year. I've gone through a few over the last 30 years. I splurged on a Carol several years ago and it was a good investment. I play one mostly because it's one less thing to carry. It fits in my guitar gig bag. I also carry a guitar rig and a full P.A. so trying to stay compact. I do bring a full size horn when we play weddings. Honestly though it's become kind of my signature thing. People ask me "Where is the little horn" if I play the full size horn on a club date. Of course when first time fans laugh and point and make diminutive gestures towards me I get a bit insecure. But it's how you use it. Right? I've finally decided to fully commit and purchased a Benge pocket trumpet last week. Wow! Fantastic.


What made you buy the Benge?
Is it better than the Carol?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the Benge better then the Carol? Yes. Although the Carol is very good, the Benge plays more like a full size horn. And it's easier to hold.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyson wrote:
Is the Benge better then the Carol?

And Peter Weller played a Benge Pocket Trumpet in the Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai (at time 1:16 in the following video).

Mike


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ended up ordering the Brasspire from Ikebe Gakki.
Thank you everybody for participating in the discussion!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any thoughts on the Brasspire now that you've had it a while?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been reading these posts with interest for some time since I wanted (not needed) a pocket for travel. I did not want to spend a lot on a travel horn, but wanted something playable. I was looking first at the Carol Brass pocket and mini as well as the Manchester Brass from ACB. I got lucky and Josh from ACB was at a convention a little more than an hour from where I do some on-site work, so I shot down yesterday and tried out the Manchester. I was really surprised at the playability of this horn. I like pretty open horns (normally play a Schilke X3L), but I did not fee restricted on this horn. It would even take the most open blowing mouthpiece I have and my putting a lot air through the horn. Actually hard to over blow it. Big sound if you want. (downside might be soft playing, but I have to experiment with that to be sure) My Eazy Bucket Silencer works with it. So I brought it home. I am sure there are better pockets out there and certainly more expensive, but this one really fits my bill. If you are worried about having a stuffy pocket, I really recommend that you give this one a try.
In addition, Josh was super nice and kind enough to wait around for me to get there.
Only one problem, he introduced me to Adams trumpets as well as an Adams flugelhorn. I had never played a flugel before. What fun. Hmm, I see another horn in my future.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyson wrote:
People ask me "Where is the little horn" if I play the full size horn on a club date.


Yes. I remember that too. Suddenly I had fans. The Benge model is great. Big warm sound that lights up. In some situations, like small clubs, or pub gigs, it outplays a standard trumpet as the projection is more circular. It balances better.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What, exactly, is 'more circular projection?'

chapahi wrote:
In some situations, like small clubs, or pub gigs, it outplays a standard trumpet as the projection is more circular. It balances better.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

multiphonic wrote:
What, exactly, is 'more circular projection?'

chapahi wrote:
In some situations, like small clubs, or pub gigs, it outplays a standard trumpet as the projection is more circular. It balances better.


The sound of a pocket trumpet is less directional that that of a standard trumpet.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a follow-up on the Manchester Brass pocket trumpet I got. I am on a business trip to Japan. It has been just wonderful having the horn instead of trying to keep up on things with mouthpieces alone. I wrap the horn in a sweatshirt, put it in my little day pack with my computer and other on-board essentials like headphones and off I go. I have been able to practice everywhere I go. Even with the EZ Bucket silencer, the horn is not stuffy. It is interesting how the mute/way I hear the pocket trumpet almost focuses me on aspects of playing I might have missed. I feel the horn allows me to make progress instead of just not slipping to far when traveling. It may be bigger than the mini, but I find it very portable and serviceable. So happy I grabbed it before this trip. I also know that if I get a chance to actually play with people, the horn will sound good. (And the price was definitely right!)
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