Anyone familiar with Harry James Trump Mouthpiece?

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I just got a mouthpiece marked "Harry James Trump" on it.

I is a double cup, and looks like a Jet Tone.

Have any of you ever played one of these?
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CJceltics33 · Veteran Member Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475

I believe Harry James played a Parduba mouthpiece, which are double cup.

Andy Del · Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:46 pm Post subject:

Yep, Parduba and Jettone. My first teacher, long passed now, was a James fan and sounded just like him. He had all manner of these mouthpieces including Harry James models. (Neither of us could make them work too well)

He played an Olds #3 and imitated that bravura style no no-one else.
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Flip Oakes · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:47 am Post subject:

Harry James played a Parduba Double Cup #5*

Yes, I played on that same mpc. for a few years when I was in High School over 50 years ago..
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iiipopes · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 554

Legend is that Parduba made Harry James' mouthpieces (yes, plural) for him slightly different than the production versions. Then again, this was in the era of hand-made mouthpieces, so it could simply be normal production tolerances and variances.

And, of course, any player, including Harry James, will have used different mouthpieces over the course of his/her career.

This issue is finally: can anybody identify in hand any particular mouthpiece that Harry James actually played at any particular point in his career with certainty, so the mouthpiece can be scanned and compared to the various Parduba commercial offerings, whether contemporary to the specimen mouthpiece, or current productions?
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JonathanM · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject:

I'm waiting to see what Tony Scodwell has to say.

I have the feeling his input will be most informative. Kind of bummed he hasn't had a chance to contribute yet.
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Tony Scodwell · Heavyweight Member Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 1961

As Chuck knows more about Harry than anyone I've ever known, I am surprised about the Jet-Tone question. Footage is available on Harry almost to the end of his life and his standard Parduba was evident. Certainly he had many Parduba mouthpieces over the years and it's a fact that there were variables. John Parduba used what would be considered antique tooling these days and as the tools wore, mouthpieces changed. What is available now are good copies of the originals and what original was copied dictates the current models offered. I have originals from Harry and new ones that Dick Akright made in his Oakland shop and although minor, the differences are evident. I would love to see a photo of Harry playing a Jet-Tone. I know the originator of Jet-Tone (who was Ray Amado) was a Harry James devotee' and when he was producing the original Jet-Tones nobody would have been more proud if Harry had played a Jet-Tone.

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JeffM729 · Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:46 pm Post subject:

Here is a photo of the Trump Harry James mouthpiece from an old thread.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1425810

CornetKent · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:30 pm Post subject:

Harry James’ Trumpet and mouthpiece are on display at Schmitt’s Music The Trumpet Shop in Minneapolis Minnesota. He was endorsed by and played a King trumpet with a gold plated Parduba *5 mouthpiece. (was also married to Betty Grable😎) I was fortunate enough to get to play these just two weeks ago. I would post a pic if I knew how......

For more information you can contact Keith at The Trumpet Shop: 1-763-398-5060.
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trumanjazzguy · Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:23 pm Post subject:

The Trump. Brand was also known as Glitterite? I’m not sure about this. I believe I once owned a Berrigan Glitterite mouthpiece. Sadly, it had been drilled and the cup modified. I assume original, unaltered copies of those mouthpieces are extremely rare...
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iiipopes · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 554

Zombie thread, yes, but I have more information. I found mouthpiece charts on the internet, both old and new, which claim to be of actual Parduba mouthpieces. The oldest one is an image of a typewritten page, and when it gets to the 5* Harry James model, it does not give specs. Add to that I found tonight in a trumpet case donated to a small band I play in a Parduba 5* Harry James model. It is old enough to have the hand-stamped lettering. It is a completely different mouthpiece than anything I have ever played. No, nobody sounds like the person it is named after, but on my King Super 20 trumpet I do get that similar edge you hear from Harry James, especially in the upper register. Intonation is a little off as I go up the register; it may be a breath support issue. Time will tell. At a little below the rather wide rim I measure a cup diameter of @.650 inches. But with the rim it feels larger than that. Range is a function of conditioning of embouchure and breath support, but somehow I do feel more efficient on this mouthpiece, as long as I keep the breath velocity up and moving; a little arch in the back of the tongue helps.

OK, I have a vested interest. My Dad played trumpet. He loved Harry James' playing. He had a King Super 20 trumpet, but different mouthpieces. I suppose that where I live in the midwest, that Parduba mouthpieces were unobtainable, or it was not published what was played, or I am sure my Dad would have had one. He had a couple of Rudy Muck's, which I sold years ago for a tidy profit, and a no-name "screamer" mouthpiece which is what I remember him playing. I can hardly get a note out of it, with a cup approaching a 10 1/2 D and a 28 throat, but he sounded great on it.

If the traces on the new comparator are to be believed, the 5* bite and inside rim is very similar to a Bach 7D. Completely different from there on, but remarkable, nonetheless. The Parduba has a wider rim than the 7D, which may account for my impression that it feels larger than it is.

Surprisingly, from this guy who has been a 3C guy all his playing life, I really am enjoying this Parduba Harry James 5* model. It may be nostalgia; it may be wishful thinking; I'm going to keep it for awhile and see how it goes. If nothing else, keeping in mind the demands of the repertoire and style of the day, I can now understand why Harry James chose Parduba as his mouthpiece.
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jrpbrass · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:48 pm Post subject: Trump Company

The Trump Company was located at 1595 Broadway in New York. I have only found advertising from 1937 to 1940. The ones from 1937 show a Bunny Berigan model and the most commonly found is the Glitterite. They did make a Harry James model but I don't know the year.

I use a Glitterite cornet mouthpiece all the time and enjoy it. Needless to say but the company name is very hard to research.
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