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fblues
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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:24 am Post subject: Similar but bigger than Bach 6BM? |
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Hi,
I have recently tried Bach 6BM and found it just excellent.
Although it has a deeper cup, it feels quite efficient as well.
Airflow feels also much natural for me on this Mpc.
I wish I could keep using this Mpc. But,
the thing is that I have thick (fleshy) lips.
The recent mouthpieces I found comfortable were Curry 3 and Yamaha Shew Jazz.
People said the essential size difference between Bach 6BM and Bach 3C is quite small.
But, I found it is smaller than the Mpcs above.
Do you think I could find out a mouthpiece similar to Bach 6BM but slightly bigger?
Thank you for reading. |
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cheiden
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:54 am Post subject: |
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As close in size as those pieces appear to be, you might consider asking Bob Reeves to thread a preferred 3C rim onto the 6BM underpart.
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Rompson
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Try a Curry 3BC.
A hammond 5 MV or 5L might be up your alley as well. |
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TKSop
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, what's the problem exactly?
You don't like the rim?
You feel cramped?
Or have you just decided that you *should* be using something bigger because you've got big lips? |
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fblues
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| cheiden wrote: | | As close in size as those pieces appear to be, you might consider asking Bob Reeves to thread a preferred 3C rim onto the 6BM underpart. |
Thanks for the suggestion.
I guess this might be a solution though It needs some money to do.
| Rompson wrote: | Try a Curry 3BC.
A hammond 5 MV or 5L might be up your alley as well. |
I have never tried those pieces. I will search more about those Mpcs.
Thank you!
| TKSop wrote: | You don't like the rim?
You feel cramped?
Or have you just decided that you *should* be using something bigger because you've got big lips? |
I see the point.
My description was a bit less specific.
I feel okay with the rim and I like the sound it generates.
But, I have to pucker my lips a lot to use the Mpc.
I found it a bit uncomfortable or unnatural.
I might be wrong in the sense that nothing can be perfect. |
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jaysonr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| fblues wrote: | | cheiden wrote: | | As close in size as those pieces appear to be, you might consider asking Bob Reeves to thread a preferred 3C rim onto the 6BM underpart. |
Thanks for the suggestion.
I guess this might be a solution though It needs some money to do.
| Rompson wrote: | Try a Curry 3BC.
A hammond 5 MV or 5L might be up your alley as well. |
I have never tried those pieces. I will search more about those Mpcs.
Thank you!
| TKSop wrote: | You don't like the rim?
You feel cramped?
Or have you just decided that you *should* be using something bigger because you've got big lips? |
I see the point.
My description was a bit less specific.
I feel okay with the rim and I like the sound it generates.
But, I have to pucker my lips a lot to use the Mpc.
I found it a bit uncomfortable or unnatural.
I might be wrong in the sense that nothing can be perfect. |
Where are you located in SC? I'd suggest finding a good private teacher. A difference as small as what there is between a 3C and 6BM shouldn't require a major embouchure adjustment. I'd keep the 6BM and buy a lesson or two first.
Just my $0.02
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nieuwguyski
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Keep in mind that the M part of the 6BM label indicates a more open throat (26) and larger backbore (Bach 24). Those parameters may have something to do with why you like how it blows. The 6BM rim also has a fairly sharp bite, which may make it feel noticeably smaller than a 3C on your chops, when the measurements aren't much different.
Mouthpieces are complete systems, as in all the parameters interact to create the end result, and countless dollars have been thrown away by trumpeters having custom pieces built combining the rim, cup, throat, and backbore they imagine will result in the Perfect Mouthpiece -- only to discover that the result is no good.
The Bach 3B cup is about as close as you'll find to the 6BM cup, though the rim is significantly different. You could buy a Bach 3B top and 24 backbore, both with custom 26 throats, from mouthpieceexpress.com. It would cost $216, and the end result might not work well. You could also have the throat and backbore of a one-piece Bach 3B mouthpiece modified.
I'm not one to criticize -- I've poured more that my fair share of money down the mouthpiece pit over the years.
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fblues
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| jaysonr wrote: | | Where are you located in SC? I'd suggest finding a good private teacher. A difference as small as what there is between a 3C and 6BM shouldn't require a major embouchure adjustment. I'd keep the 6BM and buy a lesson or two first. |
I live in Columbia and actually take lessons.
Maybe I should talk to my teacher as well.
Thank you for the advice!
| nieuwguyski wrote: | Keep in mind that the M part of the 6BM label indicates a more open throat (26) and larger backbore (Bach 24). Those parameters may have something to do with why you like how it blows. The 6BM rim also has a fairly sharp bite, which may make it feel noticeably smaller than a 3C on your chops, when the measurements aren't much different.
Mouthpieces are complete systems, as in all the parameters interact to create the end result, and countless dollars have been thrown away by trumpeters having custom pieces built combining the rim, cup, throat, and backbore they imagine will result in the Perfect Mouthpiece -- only to discover that the result is no good.
The Bach 3B cup is about as close as you'll find to the 6BM cup, though the rim is significantly different. You could buy a Bach 3B top and 24 backbore, both with custom 26 throats, from mouthpieceexpress.com. It would cost $216, and the end result might not work well. You could also have the throat and backbore of a one-piece Bach 3B mouthpiece modified.
I'm not one to criticize -- I've poured more that my fair share of money down the mouthpiece pit over the years. |
I do prefer a sharp bite as it feels more secure.
Will try to seek the Bach 3B option.
New Mpc is a bit too pricey for me. But,
I could get one from eBay sometime.
Thank you for the kind comments!
All in all, there is a consensus that Bach 6BM is not too different from 3C.
Let me stick to the mouthpiece for a while.
It is possible I can get used to it. |
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jaysonr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| fblues wrote: | | jaysonr wrote: | | Where are you located in SC? I'd suggest finding a good private teacher. A difference as small as what there is between a 3C and 6BM shouldn't require a major embouchure adjustment. I'd keep the 6BM and buy a lesson or two first. |
I live in Columbia and actually take lessons.
Maybe I should talk to my teacher as well.
Thank you for the advice!
| nieuwguyski wrote: | Keep in mind that the M part of the 6BM label indicates a more open throat (26) and larger backbore (Bach 24). Those parameters may have something to do with why you like how it blows. The 6BM rim also has a fairly sharp bite, which may make it feel noticeably smaller than a 3C on your chops, when the measurements aren't much different.
Mouthpieces are complete systems, as in all the parameters interact to create the end result, and countless dollars have been thrown away by trumpeters having custom pieces built combining the rim, cup, throat, and backbore they imagine will result in the Perfect Mouthpiece -- only to discover that the result is no good.
The Bach 3B cup is about as close as you'll find to the 6BM cup, though the rim is significantly different. You could buy a Bach 3B top and 24 backbore, both with custom 26 throats, from mouthpieceexpress.com. It would cost $216, and the end result might not work well. You could also have the throat and backbore of a one-piece Bach 3B mouthpiece modified.
I'm not one to criticize -- I've poured more that my fair share of money down the mouthpiece pit over the years. |
I do prefer a sharp bite as it feels more secure.
Will try to seek the Bach 3B option.
New Mpc is a bit too pricey for me. But,
I could get one from eBay sometime.
Thank you for the kind comments!
All in all, there is a consensus that Bach 6BM is not too different from 3C.
Let me stick to the mouthpiece for a while.
It is possible I can get used to it. |
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fblues
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| jaysonr wrote: | | Yes, please do. Teacher > Strangers on the internet! |
Yes, I will ask my teacher.
Well, I don't think you guys are strangers.
All the inputs are valuable! |
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MrOlds
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:10 am Post subject: |
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I tried to play a 6BM for a short while. I found the inside diameter a little too small.
I’ve also tried a 3B. My chops felt it was too big.
In between those I’ve played a 5B. A Stork 5B. A Laskey 60B. A Curry 5BC and a Curry 3BC. They’re all slightly different but worth a try.
Lots of people are very successful with a 1.5C. So it might be worth the time to see if it can work for you.
My experience is that I find mouthpiece/horn combinations that sound great and I spend time learning to live with quirks in playability. Or I find equipment that plays easily and I spend time learning to make it sound great. It’s rare to find something that sounds perfect and plays perfectly. |
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fblues
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| MrOlds wrote: | I tried to play a 6BM for a short while. I found the inside diameter a little too small.
I’ve also tried a 3B. My chops felt it was too big.
In between those I’ve played a 5B. A Stork 5B. A Laskey 60B. A Curry 5BC and a Curry 3BC. They’re all slightly different but worth a try.
Lots of people are very successful with a 1.5C. So it might be worth the time to see if it can work for you.
My experience is that I find mouthpiece/horn combinations that sound great and I spend time learning to live with quirks in playability. Or I find equipment that plays easily and I spend time learning to make it sound great. It’s rare to find something that sounds perfect and plays perfectly. |
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
It feels I have many possible options now.
I agree that it is hard to find a perfect one.
Once, I felt Shires 3C was very comfortable.
But, it sounds just bright, quite far from what I want to reach. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| fblues wrote: | I do prefer a sharp bite as it feels more secure.
Will try to seek the Bach 3B option.
New Mpc is a bit too pricey for me. But,
I could get one from eBay sometime.
Thank you for the kind comments! |
If you like a sharper bite I don't think you'd like a Bach 3B. The Bach 2 series (2C, 2.5C, 2.75C) all have pretty sharp bites and deeper cups (than most other Bach C cups).
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| nieuwguyski wrote: | | If you like a sharper bite I don't think you'd like a Bach 3B. The Bach 2 series (2C, 2.5C, 2.75C) all have pretty sharp bites and deeper cups (than most other Bach C cups). |
To be honest, I have never thought about Bach 2 series before
because people do not talk about it compared to Bach 1 or Bach 3.
Maybe, this was my misconception. I will keep my eyes on those as well.
I guess Bach 2 3/4C would be the smallest among those.
Thank you for the valuable inputs! |
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nieuwguyski
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Oh, the 2-series Bach mouthpieces aren't very popular. Then again, neither is the 6BM. The 2 3/4C has a pretty extreme straight drop down into the cup. I like the 2 1/2C, but that's just me.
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Oh, the 2-series Bach mouthpieces aren't very popular. Then again, neither is the 6BM. The 2 3/4C has a pretty extreme straight drop down into the cup. I like the 2 1/2C, but that's just me.
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| fblues wrote: | | nieuwguyski wrote: | | If you like a sharper bite I don't think you'd like a Bach 3B. The Bach 2 series (2C, 2.5C, 2.75C) all have pretty sharp bites and deeper cups (than most other Bach C cups). |
To be honest, I have never thought about Bach 2 series before
because people do not talk about it compared to Bach 1 or Bach 3.
Maybe, this was my misconception. I will keep my eyes on those as well.
I guess Bach 2 3/4C would be the smallest among those.
Thank you for the valuable inputs! |
The 2-3/4C has a very low alpha angle and the posted before me said, and it's a piece that'll frustrate you if you don't like extreme drops into the cup (I do). The 2-3/4C also has the most extreme bowl shape of any mouthpiece I've ever seen. It's like a sphere cut in half (almost). The straight "2" is huge and has a very, very deep cup. I played a straight 2 from 8th grade to college for legit (and at the time a Schilke 12 for jazz/commercial type playing). I'd have saved myself a lot of frustration if I'd never experimented, lol! 
The 2C and 2-1/2C are the least extreme of the "2" mouthpieces. I've played all 3 at some point for a period of time. They are great sounding mouthpieces, if they work for you. Randy Brecker plays a 2-1/2C Megatone and Chris Coletti was playing a 2C in the Canadian Brass (not sure if he still does or not).
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(and now this tread has made me want to try a straight 2 and 2-3/4C again )
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| nieuwguyski wrote: | | Oh, the 2-series Bach mouthpieces aren't very popular. Then again, neither is the 6BM. The 2 3/4C has a pretty extreme straight drop down into the cup. I like the 2 1/2C, but that's just me. |
That was what I found from the postings.
Thank you for the information 2 1/2C seems to be a safer choice!
| jaysonr wrote: | The 2-3/4C has a very low alpha angle and the posted before me said, and it's a piece that'll frustrate you if you don't like extreme drops into the cup (I do). The 2-3/4C also has the most extreme bowl shape of any mouthpiece I've ever seen. It's like a sphere cut in half (almost). The straight "2" is huge and has a very, very deep cup. I played a straight 2 from 8th grade to college for legit (and at the time a Schilke 12 for jazz/commercial type playing). I'd have saved myself a lot of frustration if I'd never experimented, lol!
The 2C and 2-1/2C are the least extreme of the "2" mouthpieces. I've played all 3 at some point for a period of time. They are great sounding mouthpieces, if they work for you. Randy Brecker plays a 2-1/2C Megatone and Chris Coletti was playing a 2C in the Canadian Brass (not sure if he still does or not). |
I am still at the beginning stage. What I am trying to do these days
is making double A securely and extending it to double B.
While I am doing these, I found myself is pushing my lips hard
to hit those notes with larger mouthpieces.
I guess 6BM was still okay since it is not too big mouthpiece.
In this sense, I think extream mouthpieces might be a bit risky.
But, I will definitely try to see 2 1/2C would work for me!
Thank you for a lot of info. Those save my money and effort a lot! |
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Curry 5B is the answer. Try one you won't be disappointed.
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