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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject: Best method book for range development? Reply with quote

What are some opinions on what the best method book is for range development?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: Best method book for range development? Reply with quote

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What are some opinions on what the best method book is for range development?


Not to be 'that guy' but the best option is a private teacher who can explain the concepts of range development to you.

Ultimately, method books are just a collection of notes in a particular order. Simply playing through them in the same manner you already play is unlikely to make much significant difference. You may start to feel a bit more comfortable on the exercises due to familiarity and low level adaption, but beyond maybe an unreliable tone or two increase you will not solve your range problems this way.

I wish someone had given me that advice when I was a teenager. I always had good teachers (and an expensive musical education) but still held this deep rooted belief that if 'I practice Maggio or Stamp or Irons or Schlossberg or Colins' I would suddenly unlock the secrets to high register playing. It never did. Only when I went to a teacher who was a bit of a range specialist (my teachers up to that point had been fantastic orchestral section players, but no one with interest in range that went anywhere much beyond a high D) did I sort out my issues and increase my daily range by about a fifth and my professionally usable range by more like an octave.

All the best
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I don't consider it a range extension method, the Vizzutti books helped me to get much more comfortable with the range I had.

My impression from my lessons would be that the book by James Stamp and likely the book by Earl Irons are the most useful for extending range.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My BEYOND THE C book contains over a dozen sets of exercises to increase the upper register.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Am03K7QDI

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are so many great ones. I say you read through bits and pieces of samples and choose one that speaks to you.

My favourites are:

Eby Scientific Method for Trumpet

Peters Total Range

Knevitt 21st Century Range and Endurance on Trumpet

Deutsch Extended Trumpet Range

That should get you going for a while!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobby Shew video posted above is great. Another video I always recommend is this one with Wayne Bergeron talking about air pressure. The audio is bad, but he has some good analogies/thoughts about how to approach the upper register.


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I also agree with what I've seen Wayne say in several videos - you have to "discover" range. There aren't any specific exercises that will build range. You have to experiment and try different things. Also, this Hip-BoneU video on Vimeo is good, but it's not free (although close).

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/playinghighnotes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Best method book for range development? Reply with quote

LSOfanboy wrote:
spencerkotulski wrote:
What are some opinions on what the best method book is for range development?


Not to be 'that guy' but the best option is a private teacher who can explain the concepts of range development to you.

Ultimately, method books are just a collection of notes in a particular order. Simply playing through them in the same manner you already play is unlikely to make much significant difference.


That is the case with many of the older method books to a certain extent (Arbans, St-Jacome, Gatti, etc.). A lot of them have great exercises, but virtually no instructions, or worse, instructions that are not really good. But that is not the case with some of the newer ones, and especially not the case when it comes to Claude Gordon's Systematic Approach to Daily Practice for Trumpet. Systematic Approach contains 52 specific Lessons with each Lesson assigning both material within the book, and material from six other trumpet books (Arbans, St-Jacome, Clarke's Technical Studies, Clarke's Characteristic Studies, Colin's Lip Flexibilities, and Smith's Lip Flexibilities).

There are also ten pages of explanation at the beginning of the book concerning how to practice properly, and specific instructions in each Lesson explaining how to practice the material in the book and the assigned outside material.

I bought and used Systematic Approach when I was 16 years old and added 2 steps to my range within a few weeks of starting to use it. About a year later I was blessed with the opportunity to travel to Los Angeles to take a "Crash Course" (2 lessons a day for a week) with Claude Gordon. On my eighteenth birthday I reached a Double High C# in the range portion of my practice routine. And then as soon as I could afford to, I moved to L.A. and studied with Claude full time - that studying led to a wonderful career.

I will not argue at all with LSOfanboy's suggestion to get a teacher - just be sure it is a teacher who knows how to really develop range, and everything else required to be a great trumpet player!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Best method book for range development? Reply with quote

LSOfanboy wrote:
spencerkotulski wrote:
What are some opinions on what the best method book is for range development?


Not to be 'that guy' but the best option is a private teacher who can explain the concepts of range development to you.

Ultimately, method books are just a collection of notes in a particular order. Simply playing through them in the same manner you already play is unlikely to make much significant difference. You may start to feel a bit more comfortable on the exercises due to familiarity and low level adaption, but beyond maybe an unreliable tone or two increase you will not solve your range problems this way.

I wish someone had given me that advice when I was a teenager. I always had good teachers (and an expensive musical education) but still held this deep rooted belief that if 'I practice Maggio or Stamp or Irons or Schlossberg or Colins' I would suddenly unlock the secrets to high register playing. It never did. Only when I went to a teacher who was a bit of a range specialist (my teachers up to that point had been fantastic orchestral section players, but no one with interest in range that went anywhere much beyond a high D) did I sort out my issues and increase my daily range by about a fifth and my professionally usable range by more like an octave.

All the best


I'm in agreement with LSOfanboy. All the practicing and method books in the world aren't going to get you to where you want to be without the proper foundational technique for production of notes in the high register. If you can find a teacher who will teach you high range technique and help you refine that technique you will be most of the way toward your goal of increasing your real usable range. Trying to increase your range without the proper technique will give you only limited results.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spencer,
all your posts turn around the same topic, and then all the replies give you the same answers.
If you really want to improve, and it seems you really want it, have lessons with a master. Are you living in NM like i seem to remember? if so, contact Bobby Shew, you'll thank yourself !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, most of the listes books has supported the development of range.
Flexibility and Clarke Technical Studies has been the methodology I have used the most.

2 advices:

1. Practice soft (my/p dynamics) to develop a relaxed buzz also in the high register - do not force.
By practicing high register in a soft way, you will also develop a good/nice/full sound which will support you also when playing loud.

2. Balance your high range practice with excercises AND music.
Many trumpet players believe that if they only practice high range with excercises, the range will also be there when playing music, this is not correct. In many cases trumpet players can achieve great things when playing excercises, but they are not able to utilize this when it comes to playing the actual music....

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVL wrote:
Spencer,
all your posts turn around the same topic, and then all the replies give you the same answers.
If you really want to improve, and it seems you really want it, have lessons with a master. Are you living in NM like i seem to remember? if so, contact Bobby Shew, you'll thank yourself !
best


I live in Minneapolis area in Minnesota. I do have a private lesson teacher but I feel I need a different one. The one I have is good but when it comes to the mechanics of playing they don’t really tend to teach that, but mechanics is how I tend to learn. John Mohan seems to really believe in the Claude Gordon books and I would love to try this approach, but I don’t really know who in my area teaches this’s method.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask John Mohan who teaches Gordon's approach in your area if you want to try this approach that is a good one for all aspects of playing, or have skype lessons with John.
Check also Bobby Shew's schedule, he does a lot of clinics in the USA, and also teaches online.
If we except the pedal practice and other concepts, i don't really see some contre-indication to try both approaches.
I practiced Claude Gordon's "Systematic approach to daily practice" during my first years of pro career, and met just after Bobby, then went to study with him in Los Angeles; so i can tell you that you can benefit of both in spite of the different, not to say divergent, conceptions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spencerkotulski wrote:

... I do have a private lesson teacher but I feel I need a different one. The one I have is good but when it comes to the mechanics of playing they don’t really tend to teach that, but mechanics is how I tend to learn. ...

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It seems you need to specifically ASK your current teacher to evaluate your 'mechanics', and especially ask the teacher if there is anything about your mechanics that is currently slowing your progress, or might in the future. And if YOU think some of your mechanics need improvement, ask about that.

A good teacher should ALWAYS be watching and evaluating your mechanics, but if everything seems fine, then there is no need to discuss them or suggest changes. Also a good teacher should be watching for the things that need immediate attention, explain the problem to you, and offer suggestions. Of course there might be several things that need attention, and a good teacher knows how to prioritize the changes regarding what is most important, and what YOU can realistically be expected to do. A good 'foundation' needs to be built first, and then step-wise improvements.

It is also up to you to ask the teacher about these things, and to tell the teacher your goals and your dedication to WORKING to accomplish them. Try telling your teacher that you want to EXCEL in the performance of your lesson assignments, and have the teacher critique your performance of the lessons regarding that goal.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get a lot from Colin once I learned to do it right. Not a method but a good set of exercises if done with a correct aperture
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These tips have been helpful. Thanks!
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