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BrightonY125
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:34 pm    Post subject: Mouthpiece suggestion with for people with fat lips Reply with quote

Hello everyone! I found out that I have fat lips, so I need a narrow rimmed mouthpiece right? I feel comfortable with a 3c size right now, so anything near that size is fine. Would a v-cup help too? Please suggest a mouthpiece with adequate throats, bores, cups, and all that other specifications. I went to my local music shop and they suggested Marcinkiewicz brand mouthpieces. Are Storks good as well? Thanks for your helps!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bach 1cw is a good piece to have for people with large lips, but the rim is quite wide.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

markwu071 wrote:
but the rim is quite wide.

a narrow rim is what I'm looking for. I despise wide rims. Thanks anyways.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://storkcustom.com/how-your-lips-dictate-your-mouthpiece-choice/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar situation for me, mostly a lot of thickness in the middle of upper lip though. I have found a narrow rim and wider internal diameter helpful. Stork Vacchiano 2C might be worth a look. For me at the moment the shallowish and wide Wick 3E is the answer - narrowish rim with soft bite and dark sound that doesn't break up. Some of the bach rims may also work for you if you don't mind the sharper bites. eg., 1.5C, 2/2.5. I wouldn't recommend the bach 3C.

It is worth looking at the stork website and their photos of different lip shapes and their recommendations.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why narrow? Found and try a Reeves 43.5C , he makes the most comfortable rims in the market like a soft pillow đŸ˜†

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello
which issues do you encounter with your playing? with your current mpc?
That's the question. We can't answer about mouthpieces by itself.
Serafin Aguilar has thick lips and plays on a regular 3C, and plays great.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thickness (thin or thick) has little to no impact on mouthpoiece selection. IMO has more to do with dental structure. BUT to believe that there is some magical formula for determining good fit or what ultimately work the best for YOU is in error.
If it did, some of us would be playing on trombone sized mouthpieces and some on very small.

Our approach is to begin and grow on a mid-sized, middle of the road mouthpiece.. then practice, practice, practice. After years of that, and we get to a point that the embouchure is stable and many fundamental of trumpet playing have become reliable. We can start searching for adjustments in the mouthpiece that help us get more refined.

If you are struggling with things more than what a reputable teacher thinks is "normal" then he/she may help you look for a mouthpiece design that ftis you better.. BUT, again, there is no magic formula.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. I have found better results on narrower rims than on my regular Bach 3C and 1 1/4 C.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean "narrow rim" measured from inside diameter to outside diameter ?
or are you talking about the inner diameter (ID) of the mouthpiece?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming that you are talking about the distance between the inner and outer diameter, the Schilke 13b has a rather narrow rim (for a trumpet mouthpiece). It is very different from the usual Schilke rim, because it is an "artist series" mouthpiece designed by Frank Lisanti, a player and teacher from the Chicago area. According to the Schilke website, the inner diameter is 0.66", which is supposed to be about the same as a Bach 3C.

I play a custom-made 13B variant that is downsized 1% with respect to inner and outer diameter, and I can vouch for the fact that it has a pretty narrow rim. (I don't have a fat lip, however, although once in a great while someone offers to give me one.)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrightonY125 wrote:
I disagree. I have found better results on narrower rims than on my regular Bach 3C and 1 1/4 C.


I'm not sure what or who you are disagreeing with, but your experience represents one and only one data point. That's about as anecdotal as one can get.

The fact is, historically there is no correlation between lip size and mouthpiece size in terms of rim thickness, cup diameter or cup depth. I advise you stick with your 3C (the mouthpiece you stated you are already comfortable with) and practice your trumpet. You'll find as you get good enough, you'll be able to make pretty much any mouthpiece work okay. When it comes to mouthpiece selection, what we should be dealing with is a matter of fine-tuning. Too many players rely on an endless search for the mouthpiece that will do more than fine-tune their playing. That mouthpiece does not exist.

Now, all that said... If you have found that you like mouthpieces with thinner rims better than the 3C you wrote you are comfortable with, then I suggest you buy a Kanstul CG3 mouthpiece. It is based on the Bach 3C but has a slightly thinner rim. Here's scan comparing a Bach 3C to a Kanstul CG3:


https://i.postimg.cc/L5HWTrBx/Bach-3-C-red-vs-Kanstul-CG3-green.jpg
Bach 3C (red) versus Kanstul CG3 (green)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to reiterate: https://storkcustom.com/how-your-lips-dictate-your-mouthpiece-choice/

You could even try contacting Mr. & Ms. Stork by phone or email, they are very helpful and they know their stuff. For me, they had me send pictures of myself for analysis.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrightonY125 wrote:
I disagree. I have found better results on narrower rims than on my regular Bach 3C and 1 1/4 C.


OP, now I'm curious -- what narrower rims did you try? Why don't you get whatever it was that you tried?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried the Warburton anchor grip rim. Flat rim with well defined inner edge.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have it on good stead that some of the players who are shown on the Stork website (They do make excellent mouthpieces) play nothing like the sizes they are recommended.
There simply must be a judicial trial of certain mouthpieces you feel that will work. You should talk to manufacturers and see what they recommend. You've received some good advice here and some not so great advice.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vin DiBona wrote:
I have it on good stead that some of the players who are shown on the Stork website (They do make excellent mouthpieces) play nothing like the sizes they are recommended.
There simply must be a judicial trial of certain mouthpieces you feel that will work. You should talk to manufacturers and see what they recommend. You've received some good advice here and some not so great advice.

R. Tomasek


Definitely. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O00Joe wrote:
Just to reiterate: https://storkcustom.com/how-your-lips-dictate-your-mouthpiece-choice/

You could even try contacting Mr. & Ms. Stork by phone or email, they are very helpful and they know their stuff. For me, they had me send pictures of myself for analysis.


Thanks. I will send them an email.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it that you found out you have "fat lips," rather than having been previously aware of it?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpeters with large, fleshy lips sometimes choose mouthpieces with thinner rims, but it isn't required—it's a personal preference. The benefit is greater flexibility. The tradeoff can be less endurance. Large, fleshy lips make it easier to deal with a thinner rim in some circumstances.

Two other things to consider: how strong is your embouchure, and what kind of music do you play? You'd need a rather strong embouchure to handle a thinner rim. And it would be a more workable choice if you're playing, say, orchestral style, but probably unworkable if you're playing, say, lead trumpet in a big band.

If you're comfortable on a 3C, why not just stick with that?
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