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Clarkie
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:49 pm    Post subject: Next Gen Shew Z Trumpet?? Reply with quote

Anyone have any info on the next generation Shew Z horn that is being released at NAMM at the end of January?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello
from what i know, they changed few braces and a slighty lighter valve casing.
I tried the prototype in november, and i'm looking forward to buy one in march, since it plays better than my 6310
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So will this be available for sale at the end of January? Or will we have to wait a few extra months?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha has historical issues with valve casings. I am not encouraged if they are lightening the valve casing on the Z.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i never had such issues, neither with my 18 years old 6310, nor with what i saw in the new 8310 prototype. Really a great horn, i repeat, i'm looking forward to buy it
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't wait to try it. The 8310z is, in my opinion, a gigantic leap forward from the 6310z. If they can manage improvements on a similar scale here then we have one fine trumpet to look forward to trying!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject: Yamaha Reply with quote

Here's the Yamaha website:

https://sg.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/winds/trumpets/bb_trumpets/ytr-8310z_02/index.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
Here's the Yamaha website:

https://sg.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/winds/trumpets/bb_trumpets/ytr-8310z_02/index.html


Interesting, thanks for posting. Contrary to JVL's post above, it appears they are going with a heavier 2-piece valve casing, rather than a lighter one? I personally would love a slightly larger valve block (with the valves farther apart like a Bach) which would be way more comfortable for my large hands.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I played it, the valve casing felt and looked much more like the Yamaha Artist Model Valve casings. I thought it was a big improvement over the original!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what Bobby told me months ago.
Maybe Yamaha kept on trying other options and kept on modifying...
Anyway, whatever they did, the prototype i tried in november was a big improvement vs my 6310, in terms of ease, accuracy, openess and sound (volume and colours)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any historical issues with valve casings is simply that - history. Yamaha has some of the best engineering in the market and QC pretty much unequaled.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Shew Reply with quote

Did the previous 6310/8310z horn have a one or two piece valve casing?Seems like the two piece casing is catching on with horn makers. It certainly had positive feedback with the 190 Bach horns.

Looks like the new 'Z' horn has a tuning slide brace as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the braces were moved about an inch.

And the length of the leadpipe before it hits the main tuning slide is different... you can tell by looking at where the pinky ring is located on the leadpipe.

Different mouthpiece receiver.

I assume they did not change the leadpipe or bell taper, since there is no mention of this.

Maybe the two piece valve block will give more core to the sound?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrumpetMadness wrote:
When I played it, the valve casing felt and looked much more like the Yamaha Artist Model Valve casings. I thought it was a big improvement over the original!


Did the Gen2 you played have the brace on the tuning slide?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to Bobby and he said the changes they made to the 8310Z were unnecessary, it's basically the same horn--save your money! Honestly, if you want to improve your Z, just talk to Mike and Ryan at M/K Drawing and Bending. My 8310z was already a great playing horn but after I got one of their bronze semi-round tuning slides, it's hands down the best trumpet I've ever played!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoping someone can try this horn at NAMM this weekend and post a video! Thank you!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello Ray
what did this MK change? what were you looking for to change?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't take a video, but liked the new 8310z I tried at NAMM. I have the previous generation and liked the changes that were made.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drklobz wrote:
I didn't take a video, but liked the new 8310z I tried at NAMM. I have the previous generation and liked the changes that were made.


Thanks. So what changes did you notice?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The valve block was different and reminded me of the Artist model valves and the bracing was slightly changed. I like the way it played. Was it a big improvement? Hard to say. That one played really well, had a good balance of overtones, and felt well constructed.

But, like many manufacturers one horn will play and feel different than the next horn on the assembly line.
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