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TMT Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject: Bach Symphonic Mouthpieces |
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Anybody try these yet? How do they compare to modern Bach pieces? Are they their own thing (a la the Schilke Symphony series, with more orchestral/MTV style rims etc) or simply regular Bachs with standard mods being sold under a gimmicky name? "Original Bach designs" seems purposefully ambiguous (given the massive variation in the implementation of said designs over the years)...
https://osmun.com/bach-symphonic-mouthpieces/ |
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trumpet_cop Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Bach Symphonic Mouthpieces |
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TMT wrote: | or simply regular Bachs with standard mods being sold under a gimmicky name? |
This. |
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Bach Symphonic Mouthpieces |
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TMT wrote: | Anybody try these yet? How do they compare to modern Bach pieces? Are they their own thing (a la the Schilke Symphony series, with more orchestral/MTV style rims etc) or simply regular Bachs with standard mods being sold under a gimmicky name? "Original Bach designs" seems purposefully ambiguous (given the massive variation in the implementation of said designs over the years)...
https://osmun.com/bach-symphonic-mouthpieces/ |
I thought I texted you this this morning, dude! _________________ -Tom Hall-
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a.kemp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve got a 1 1/4C 25/24 Symphonic Series piece. Bought one out of curiosity.
It’s really nice.
First off, it fits flawlessly in my horns. No wobble that many Bachs have.
The 1 1/4 rim (which I don’t normally get along with) seems different.
Seems more like the 60-70’s rims. Thicker rim. Not that nasty painful one on the more recent.
The throat (25 in my case), since it’s made with this throat, the throat length is maintained in the design and not altered by using a reamer, which changes a lot with regards to playability.
The 24 is a nice 24. I usually play a Parke 24 backbore. It’s a bit smaller than the Parke. But, pitch and resonance are super even through all registers.
It’s $75. That’s a bargain compared to comparable pieces or a stock one with alterations which may or may not be done well.
I’d like to try a few more to see if these things are consistent through the series. If it is, it’s a potential homerun for Bach.
I don’t know if it’s gonna supplant my Parke. But, very comparable. |
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Andy for your positive post. These are the real deal and have been well received by some top players. We're very happy to offer these high quality Bach mouthpieces at a great price. And as always, we continue to provide aftermarket alterations for those that need them in a timely manner. Cheers! _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US
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TMT Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Many thanks for the replies!! |
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:16 am Post subject: |
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a.kemp wrote: | I’ve got a 1 1/4C 25/24 Symphonic Series piece. Bought one out of curiosity.
It’s really nice.
First off, it fits flawlessly in my horns. No wobble that many Bachs have.
The 1 1/4 rim (which I don’t normally get along with) seems different.
Seems more like the 60-70’s rims. Thicker rim. Not that nasty painful one on the more recent.
The throat (25 in my case), since it’s made with this throat, the throat length is maintained in the design and not altered by using a reamer, which changes a lot with regards to playability.
The 24 is a nice 24. I usually play a Parke 24 backbore. It’s a bit smaller than the Parke. But, pitch and resonance are super even through all registers.
It’s $75. That’s a bargain compared to comparable pieces or a stock one with alterations which may or may not be done well.
I’d like to try a few more to see if these things are consistent through the series. If it is, it’s a potential homerun for Bach.
I don’t know if it’s gonna supplant my Parke. But, very comparable. |
So not totally replace your Parke, but you wouldn't hate the gig if you only brought that Bach piece?
If these really are more comparable to older pieces and sound better than I may end up holding off trying Parke until I've tried one of these. I have a few "corp." piece to compare against feel wise. Plus if Mr. Becker says they're the real deal, I guess I have no reason not to believe that. _________________ (List horns here) |
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a.kemp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Funny...I was about to sell the Bach. Even though I liked it, I figured I’d just keep playing my Parke, which is a 645 r6-278-24 (very similar to a 1 1/4)
But, decided not to as it works better on my Bb than any mouthpiece I’ve had with a 24 backbore. Even the Parke gets a little squirrelly on Bb when I’m tired.
My Parke rim still feels better on my face since I’m used to it. But, I’ve had 2 people comment that the Bach sounded bigger and weightier than my Parke.
Keeping it. |
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TMT Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:50 am Post subject: |
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That's hilarious, if that was your ad yesterday, seeing it briefly pop up was what made me aware that these existed at all... |
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a.kemp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Yep. Took the ad down a few hours later. Not worth selling!
Just compared it to a 2008ish stock 1 1/4.
The throat entrance appears to be different. The stock one has a huge throat entrance. This one is is smaller and a touch smaller than the Parke as well. |
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Okay, y'all are about to make me buy another mouthpiece!
I'd love to know how the 1C is—I'm normally a "1C" player. _________________ Isaiah 40:8
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trumpjosh Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: |
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The biggest difference on these mouthpieces is that when you would order them from Bach in the past, they were made in the custom shop and, in my opinion, they did not feel true to the size you were used to in the standard line. Now, these Symphonic pieces are cut on a CNC and should be true to the rim and cup of the standard line with a #24 backbore. Also the throat is true to the size and not elongated like it would be if you had a stock piece opened up.
I've been asking for them to do this for years, so I'm really happy it's available now... and at a very affordable price! _________________ www.milanomusic.com |
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Betelgeuse215 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Asking what is probably the obvious but just want to get it straight in my head. These are Bach mouthpieces that are factory made with these "modifications" so in a sense are stock symphonic mouthpieces? |
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Miketpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Betelgeuse215 wrote: | Asking what is probably the obvious but just want to get it straight in my head. These are Bach mouthpieces that are factory made with these "modifications" so in a sense are stock symphonic mouthpieces? |
Correct. Made on the CNC machine.
Mike |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: |
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trumpjosh wrote: | The biggest difference on these mouthpieces is that when you would order them from Bach in the past, they were made in the custom shop and, in my opinion, they did not feel true to the size you were used to in the standard line. |
And yet... they were generally significantly better players than the standard line.
A bit like buying vintage Bach pieces - you don't know quite what to expect, but if you hit it lucky, you hit gold. |
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Betelgeuse215 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: |
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trumpjosh wrote: | The biggest difference on these mouthpieces is that when you would order them from Bach in the past, they were made in the custom shop and, in my opinion, they did not feel true to the size you were used to in the standard line. Now, these Symphonic pieces are cut on a CNC and should be true to the rim and cup of the standard line with a #24 backbore. Also the throat is true to the size and not elongated like it would be if you had a stock piece opened up.
I've been asking for them to do this for years, so I'm really happy it's available now... and at a very affordable price! |
I got a 1.5C 24/24 to check it out. it sounds great but I find it to be very different from the standard line. The rim and cup shapes are different making the rim feel closer to a 1.25C. I guess the mouthpiece search never truly ends... |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Resurrecting an old thread.
I became interested in these pieces when I discovered how much I like the 24 backbore. The problem is, they only come in three cup sizes right now: 1, 1.25, and 1.5. I want a 3C.
So I contacted our district rep for Conn-Selmer (perks of being a school band director) about having a 3C made. It was my understanding that Bach's production mouthpieces are all made on CNC machines now, but their custom pieces were handmade and usually felt very different than the production pieces. I asked my rep if this is still the case. He did not know, and said he would inquire with the factory. A few days later, he replied that even custom mouthpieces are now made on the CNC machine.
Per some of the posts in this thread, I also asked if the rim and cup were different than the production pieces. He said no, they are the same. I know from my own experience that when you change the throat, backbore, or even the blank of the mouthpiece, it can make the rim feel different because you are changing the resistance, which changes how your lips engage with the mouthpiece. Things feel different, even though they are really not.
So what the heck, I will try it. I ordered a 3C, 26 throat, 24 backbore. Turn around time is about 6 weeks, price was about 50% higher than the production Symphonic series. |
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Betelgeuse215 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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jadickson wrote: | Resurrecting an old thread.
I became interested in these pieces when I discovered how much I like the 24 backbore. The problem is, they only come in three cup sizes right now: 1, 1.25, and 1.5. I want a 3C.
So I contacted our district rep for Conn-Selmer (perks of being a school band director) about having a 3C made. It was my understanding that Bach's production mouthpieces are all made on CNC machines now, but their custom pieces were handmade and usually felt very different than the production pieces. I asked my rep if this is still the case. He did not know, and said he would inquire with the factory. A few days later, he replied that even custom mouthpieces are now made on the CNC machine.
Per some of the posts in this thread, I also asked if the rim and cup were different than the production pieces. He said no, they are the same. I know from my own experience that when you change the throat, backbore, or even the blank of the mouthpiece, it can make the rim feel different because you are changing the resistance, which changes how your lips engage with the mouthpiece. Things feel different, even though they are really not.
So what the heck, I will try it. I ordered a 3C, 26 throat, 24 backbore. Turn around time is about 6 weeks, price was about 50% higher than the production Symphonic series. |
I am inclined to believe that the rim is supposed to be the same but having played the symphonic 1C, 1.25C, and 1.5C, I can with great certainty say that the rims are most certainly different.
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
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Bummer. I was afraid of that. |
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G Bechs Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Betelgeuse215 wrote: |
I got a 1.5C 24/24 to check it out. it sounds great but I find it to be very different from the standard line. The rim and cup shapes are different making the rim feel closer to a 1.25C. I guess the mouthpiece search never truly ends... |
Could you elaborate on this, and are there any others that can report on their experiences?
I've always preferred a 1.25C but wish I could play a 1.5C due to the slightly gentler rim contour. Seems to negatively affect my sound though. This Symphonic Series interests me, but before ordering the 1.25 I'm hoping you can provide more details regarding your comments on the 1.5 feeling closer to 1.25 |
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