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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:54 am Post subject: Which Arban Book? |
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I want to pick up a copy but there seems to be many versions out there. Are they basically all the same or is there a certain one I should look for?
Also.. Would you recommend spending extra for a fancy spiral bound version?
Thanks _________________ MH |
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oliver king Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I found a 'new' 1936 printing. It works just fine. _________________ LB Bel Canto #59
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2001 Posts: 3774 Location: AL
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Which Arban Book? |
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mrhappy wrote: | I want to pick up a copy but there seems to be many versions out there. Are they basically all the same or is there a certain one I should look for?
Also.. Would you recommend spending extra for a fancy spiral bound version?
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I would recommend spiral binding no matter which edition you get. I had mine done at Kinkos pretty cheaply. _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1720 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Which Arban Book? |
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mafields627 wrote: | mrhappy wrote: | I want to pick up a copy but there seems to be many versions out there. Are they basically all the same or is there a certain one I should look for?
Also.. Would you recommend spending extra for a fancy spiral bound version?
Thanks |
I would recommend spiral binding no matter which edition you get. I had mine done at Kinkos pretty cheaply. |
My (2) old copies are rather tatty on the spines - with how much use Arban books get, spiral binding sounds a great idea to me |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:07 am Post subject: |
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An advantage of a downloadable PDF version is printing out only the pages you need when you need them.
http://www.el-atril.com/partituras/Metodos/Complete%20Conservatory%20Method%20for%20Trumpet.pdf
If you need a structured way of using it, it can get convoluted, Eric Bolvin has written a course structure. This is not a stand-alone book, it is a lesson plan. You still need Arban materials.
https://qpress.ca/product/arban-manual/ _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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scott1860 Regular Member
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 51 Location: nashville
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Love the Hooten/Marotta version! I did take mine to Kinkos and get it spiral bound ($10). Larger print/easier to read. The CD that comes with it is wonderful as well. I could listen to Mr Hooten play those Characteristic Studies all day. _________________ -scott |
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astadler Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'll second the Hooten/Marotta edition. All the original Arban exercises and writing, with additional commentary from the editors. They make it clear what is Arban's and what's their commentary, and do their best to "modernize" some of Arban's teaching. Last year I actually gathered as many different Arban editions as possible for a small project to see what all the differences were.
If you want to break the bank, there is a 3-volume Leduc edition edited by Jean Maire that adds a lot of etudes and exercises, and even some orchestral excerpts if I recall. But the Hooten/Marotta is probably your best bet in my opinion. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2411 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Which Arban Book? |
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mrhappy wrote: | I want to pick up a copy but there seems to be many versions out there. Are they basically all the same or is there a certain one I should look for?
Also.. Would you recommend spending extra for a fancy spiral bound version?
Thanks |
My original version was perfect-bound. It was hard to keep it open on a stand, and eventually fell apart.
About 10 years ago, I purchased the "Platinum Edition", which has a spiral bound comb and a CD of piano tracks for the Fantasies. I think this version is out-of-print.
But nowadays, I mostly use a free PDF version of Arbans on my laptop or notepad device. It's in the public domain.
One other addition that I've found helpful is the Music Minus One Arban Trumpet Duets. (The trumpet player on these recordings was my teacher back in high school.)
https://www.amazon.com/Arban-Trumpet-Duets-Harold-Lieberman/
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Zack_Mac Regular Member
Joined: 13 Aug 2014 Posts: 54 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of people poo poo the new Hooten/Marotta edition published by Carl Fischer because the page numbers changed when the cleaned up the notation. But it's a great edition and the CD is amazing. So I wouldn't worry about whether you get an older Goldman edition or the new Hooten/Marotta edition; both are good.
The edition edited by Vizzutti is much the same as the Carl Fischer edition. He also cleaned up the notation and he added his Carnival of Venus at the end. This edition is a little more money than the CF edition ad I don't think it is worth it. Albeit, some of the advice Vizzutti gives is helpful, but you can probably do without it.
I also have the 3 book set published by Alphonse Leduc which I really like. Each book is about $50 though, so it is pretty pricey, and not really worth the money unless you are looking for some other exercises. This edition has many of the classic exercises people are used to in the Goldman edition with a few new ones. I also like the triple tonguing section in this edition more. It also takes out all the cheesy songs in the back and replaces them French conservatory etudes. They're way harder, but more interesting. And since it is a French edition, it focuses heavily on clef transposition.
I have never looked at a Boosey & Hawkes edition but from what I have read, it is very similar to the Carl Fischer edition.
I always recommend getting them spiral bound. The non-spiral bound Carl Fischer edition is only $5 cheaper than the spiral bound one. I would spend the extra $5 and not have to worry about taking it somewhere.
Sorry for the long reply. Best of luck. |
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Paul in GA Regular Member
Joined: 04 May 2016 Posts: 25 Location: Roswell, GA
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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I have the Hooten edition, and other than the CD, hated it. I personally don’t care for the new font, and the repagination makes it hard to work with my teachers and their editions. Plus I have found several typos in the exercises.
I got so frustrated I bought an older edition on eBay. |
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bear30101 Regular Member
Joined: 05 Sep 2015 Posts: 89 Location: Ga.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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search this site for " FREE 985 page trumpet exercise and music book" you will find a link to a Free download of "Pops" excellent extended Arban's. _________________ searching |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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There is a 1911 Carl Fisher edition on IMSLP that sure looks a lot like the (I think) 1936 edition paperback that I bought in the 70’s. I downloaded it and use it these days.
Choose La grande méthode complète de cornet from the list.
There are other interesting Arban works there, too. |
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mrhappy Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2018 Posts: 371 Location: Port Jackson, NY
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Wow... thanks for all the advice on this guys! _________________ MH |
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LSOfanboy Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I wouldn't get too hung up on which edition. As long as it is easy to read and not overly-abridged, any will do.
Its the manner in which you approach practicing the material that makes the most difference, not the material itself.
All the best |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8331 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:03 am Post subject: |
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LSOfanboy wrote: | Personally, I wouldn't get too hung up on which edition. As long as it is easy to read and not overly-abridged, any will do.
Its the manner in which you approach practicing the material that makes the most difference, not the material itself.
All the best |
I believer, the only Carl Fisher edition that's in print is the new Hooten/Marotta edition with the recordings mentioned above. The older Goldman editions whether spiral bound in the "platinum edition" (or whatever) or not are not currently in print. There might be some still hanging out there with some retailers, but I don't think they're being printed anymore.
You can get the new edition in either normal binding or spiral bound.
However, a different publisher has printed the old 1912 edition (minus the Goldman editing) and that is still in print.
https://www.jwpepper.com/Arban%27s-Complete-Conservatory-Method/10277688.item#/submit
There's an old TH thread in which the at least one of the editors tries to explain why they ended up changing the paging. Needless to say, lots of crusty trumpet players were not pleased.
Mine has notes from all of my former teachers, so it's not getting replaced.
I'll have to decide if I want it spiral bound. The regular binding - reinforced by shipping tape as it is - isn't ideal, but I haven't lost any pages. That's something I can't say about many spiral bound books I have. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I have the Hooten/Marotta edition and like it (I kind of wish I'd spent for the spiral version, because I think it would hold up longer and sitter flatter on stands).
I also downloaded the Pops edition, but I don't know quite what it is. It seems to include materials not in other editions/versions? Actually, on looking at it again it has a large quantity of stuff from Arban and then about 250 pages of "Pops' Stuff." |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:38 am Post subject: |
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If you are studying with a teacher ask which version he/she prefers. If you are not, and studying with a teacher is not a viable option for you, I would recommend that you consider guided study of Arban's "Method."
One option is to purchase either of the printed Carl Fischer editions of Arban's "Method" -- Goldman/Smith/Gordon or Hooten/Marotta -- and then buy the corresponding edition of Eric Bolvin's excellent "Arban Manual," which is available online.
Another option is to buy Gerald Prescott's "Arban-Prescott," which is available in print or electronically. That book includes the excerpts from the Arban "Method" that you'll use for each lesson, so no need to purchase the full "Method" for now if you take that approach.[Edit: I should have noted that you also need the lesson plans themselves. The only source I am aware of for them is qPress at https://qpress.ca/product/prescott-technic-system-for-arban-trumpet-pdf/ You can select Lesson Plan Only if you have a print copy of the excerpts, or purchase the complete edition (Arban excerpts plus the lessons plans) either as an electronic file or print copy.]
Finally, the Andre-Ricquer edition of Arban's "Method," published by Billaudot, reorganizes the method into a series of programs and sessions (lessons). I should note that while this version is great for self-study, the reorganization is so complete that if you started taking lessons at some point your teacher might prefer you purchase one of the traditional editions rather than trying to figure this one out.
As far as other editions of Arban go, the Charles Colin and Allen Vizzutti editions are almost identical in content and structure to the Goldman/Smith and Goldman/Smith/Gordon editions, as is the edition published by Dover.
The Maire edition, published by Alphonse Leduc, is quite different. It includes material not written by Arban, and restructures the content so that it has more of a progressive flow than the original edition.
Good luck!
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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Dayton wrote: | If you are not, and studying with a teacher is not a viable option for you, I would recommend that you consider guided study of Arban's "Method."
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I'll be falling under this category for the time being so that ' guidance' seem like a very good idea! Thanks. _________________ MH |
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