Getzen and Kanstul

JetJaguar · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: Getzen and Kanstul

So what does Getzen have that Kanstul doesn't have?
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LittleRusty · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:36 am Post subject:

Oh! Oh! Mr Kotter! I know!

Brett and Adam.

JetJaguar · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:43 am Post subject:

Or are they just at different stages of similar histories?
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1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece

I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com

Speed · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:55 am Post subject:

I've been in lots of music stores that do not stock Getzen, but I have never been in a music store that stocked Kanstul. I have owned mutiple Getzen instruments, but the closest thing I've owned to a Kanstul is a Callet Jazz. I've never actually laid eyes on a Kanstul instrument, while I've seen numerous Getzens up close and personal.

I have no facts to base this on, but my observation is that Getzen is more visible in the marketplace than Kanstul, but perhaps that's just in my part of the country (southeast).

Bottom line is that it appears that Getzen has done the "marketing thing" more successfully than Kanstul.

Take care,
Marc Speed

etc-etc · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6187

Smaller stores have been selling Kanstul stencils (esp. Besson). WWBW has been selling Kanstul-made Besson (until ca. 2009) and Kanstul.

Brad361 · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:52 pm Post subject:

TrumpetMD · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Getzen and Kanstul

Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

redundant

LittleRusty · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Getzen and Kanstul

Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

OldSchoolEuph · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2441

1) renewed energy in a derivative generation as opposed to 1.5 in 3.
2) a focused image in terms of product segment
3) awareness and compliance to the demands of current cultural communication norms (skilled marketing)
4) a specific "sound" (shrill) as opposed to jack-of-all-genres
5) a boring, ok, less diverse, product portfolio targeted to a loyal audience
6) the hindsight of already having been as a family and a business where Kanstul is today.
7) a viable business model right now today
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JetJaguar · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:31 pm Post subject:

Euph, for your first point, what do you mean by 1.5 in 3?
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1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece

I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
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OldSchoolEuph · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2441

Didymus · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:46 pm Post subject: Getzen Low Brass

Jerry · Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:18 am Post subject:

I've lived in NY, CT, CO, HI, & CA. Never heard of Kanstul until I moved to San Diego. I first heard of Getzen when I was in junior high.

Speed · Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:39 am Post subject:

I became aware of Getzen in the 1960s through the Doc Severinsen connection. Doc was arguably the most visible trumpet player around, and certainly one of the best known. That connection, and the advertisements it generated, probably made Getzen much better known nationally than it otherwise would have been. That name recognition didn't get lost when Doc's endorsement contract ended, nor when the family regained control of the business.

Wynton Marsalis is one of the few - if not the only - trumpet player today who has the widespread name recognition Doc Severinsen had when he did the Getzen endorsement. It just so happens that Wynton's chosen instrument is significantly beyond the financial resources of the vast majority of trumpet players. If Wynton played/endorsed a $3,000 Kanstul, they'd be adding on another shift. There are some great trumpet players who play Kanstul products, several who post here, but I'm not aware of one who carries the name recognition that makes a 17 year old trumpet player come to his parents and say, "I want a Kanstul trumpet like XXX plays." Add that to the fact that a band director is not likely to recommend a trumpet to his students if that brand cannot be purchased in reasonably close proximity.

If my Callet Jazz is indicative of the quality Kanstul turns out, they manufacture well made instruments. That said, in my part of the country, they are pretty much invisible. As I said in an earlier post, I have never actually laid eyes on a Kanstul branded trumpet. Either their marketing or their distribution, or both, could stand some improvement, because they seem to do well with the manufacturing part of things.

I wish them well.

Take care,
Marc Speed