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Wadey_W
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:34 pm    Post subject: Difference Between Cup Sizes? Reply with quote

I started playing five years ago on a 3c, now im on a 1 1/2c. I use the 3c for marching, and can feel the difference between them.

Im wondering what a good jazz mouthpiece is and one that will help with a darker tone?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference Between Cup Sizes? Reply with quote

Wadey_W wrote:
I started playing five years ago on a 3c, now im on a 1 1/2c. I use the 3c for marching, and can feel the difference between them.

Im wondering what a good jazz mouthpiece is and one that will help with a darker tone?


What style of jazz? I assume since we’re using the somewhat subjective term “dark”, you mean small combo jazz? And darker than 1 1/2 C?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big band jazz.

Specifically a solo in mack the knife.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there are a couple separate issues here... first of all mouthpiece choice-this is a slippery slope and a very personal things. In part is chosen for how it fits our face (dental structure etc.) and helps us maintain the sound we are striving for. A Bach 3C tendancy is to be shallower than a 1.5 C and is, in general, a bit brighter tone color than the 1.5C.. many players play on pieces in this neighborhood. IMO stay on the 3C for marching band /jazz band. Nothing wrong with either, I'd expect that the 3C is a better choice for this.. and the 1.5C for concert band, etc. But I'm NOT a fan of swithcing back and forth, especially if you're a young player (pre-collegiate skill level)
This would be where a reputable teacher could assist in deterimining if you should look for a new piece or just hit the shed with a plan.

Then with the solo, I'd suggest you focus on what you're going to "say" in the solo, not which mouthiece will work best for that small part of your performance.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are succeeding on the 3C and 1.5C I wouldn't think you'd need anything different. And introducing a third mouthpiece into your regular playing sounds like a bad idea. Jazz doesn't require any particular mouthpiece. Either of your existing pieces will be fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found the Martin mouthpieces both for my trombone and trumpet help me produce a very sweet mellow tone. I play the trumpet #10 and trombone #1. I dig them both. The #10 is a small cup and throat. It takes the bite off producing a mellow tone for me at low and medium volume yet skips to high register with little effort.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are all some good ideas, thanks.

When it comes to mouthpieces, i know they all sound different based on the player, and obviously on their own as well, but i never understood how it worked. Like for example, does a Bach 3c have a shallow cup? A “dark” sound? How do you figure out these specifications?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wadey_W wrote:
Those are all some good ideas, thanks.

When it comes to mouthpieces, i know they all sound different based on the player, and obviously on their own as well, but i never understood how it worked. Like for example, does a Bach 3c have a shallow cup? A “dark” sound? How do you figure out these specifications?

Wadey

Here's a place to start understanding the basics.
https://www.bachbrass.com/application/files/4614/8521/7763/AV2BA901_Original_1889_web.pdf

If you want to compare a number of different makers and models look here.
http://kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, there is zero need to have a 'jazz' mouthpiece (or marching band, concert band, etc.)

Pick one, just ONE, mouthpiece and play on it. Put everything else in a drawer and leave them there. You wll be far better off if you do.

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