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TKSop
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try a few and see what you like.

Nothing I've played quite matches the Eclipse but I'm not sure how easily you'd be able to find one in the flesh to try out.

Bach's are underrated when it comes to flugels, they're unpopular in some circles but a really good horn.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject: Flugelhorn Reply with quote

I find that my opportunity to play a flugelhorn is significantly less than cornet or trumpet. Austin Custom Brass has some "doubler" horns that are fairly reasonable cost wise. I believe the smaller bore horns (0.433ish) have a much better sound than those with trumpet bores (0.460). I personally have a Jupiter 846S that was discussed earlier, they were a little north of $1,100 when I got mine. It is essential that you get one with a third valve slide trigger to deal with intonation issues on C# and Db.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intonation. No. I respectfully disagree with all the above. A flugelhorn is not a trumpet. A player of flugelhorn literature is probably not going to have the technical repertoire that requires, say, a trill requiring the 3rd valve alone. My older Couesnon flugelhorn, for which the tone is the standard by which all others are judged: piquant, smokey, inimitable, but not too dark as seems to unfortunately be the current fad, functions in tune with about a 1/2 inch pull and set of the 3rd valve slide, and if required, maybe a slight pull 1/16 of the first valve slide, to be in tune in the lower register. To top that off, mine has evidently had a train wreck at sometime in its life, with the lead pipe replaced, probably off an Eb Couesnon soprano flugel (according to the number stamped into the receiver)! So with the two contemporary to the manufacture of the horn Couesnon mouthpieces I have, with the proper proprietary taper and gap, mine has excellent intonation throughout the range, including above the staff, especially with the preset valve slides.

The summary of this digression: don't be lulled into the fad of darkest tone possible. It may work for solo playing, but will not knit in a section. Don't be lulled into playing a flugel like a trumpet. It needs a little larger volume of air opposed to velocity necessary on trumpet, and a lighter approach. And don't go thinking you automatically have to have all the triggers that are now considered standard on trumpet. Use your chops and your ears to get the tone, as with the wide bell, the slots are wide and the player makes the difference, not the horn.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale Proctor wrote:
shofarguy wrote:
I'd like to throw in two possibilities that exist right now, but may not for very long.

Flip Oakes Wild Thing flugelhorn...


Hey Brian, A few months ago I got to play the silver Flip Oakes flugelhorn you used to own and man, it was nice! The current owner was in town for a wedding and we had a private "trumpet hang" for a couple hours.


Yes, Tim got a nice horn! Did you like the finger ring and reverse-bend trigger? Those were my additions. The ring has been standard on all Flip's flugelhorns, since then. I don't know if he ever got Troy to make the triggers with that bend. I did it at home. I think there are 4 total.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something to think of. I have a trumpet shank from Dave Harrison (Wedge Mouthpieces) that will accept my flugelhorn upper part. Really colors the trumpet nicely. I actually have two shanks for this upper--one for flug and the other for the trumpet. In a pinch it is my instant flugelhorn if I don't bring one.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play a Conn Vintage one Flugelhorn and am very happy with it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Flugelhorn Selection Reply with quote

Mikee wrote:
I am a newbie to this site. Comeback player - off for 35+ years back for 5 years now in earnest - but still a long way to go! I play in local Pops band and in church every Sunday.

I would like to buy a Flugelhorn for the more mellow sound to play in church - mostly melodies and some descants for standard hymns. Recently had a french horn join me in church for a month or so - was beautiful - trying to get closer to that sound.

There are no music stores near me that have any Flugelhorns in stock - therefore hard to try any out. I probably have more $ than sense - what should I buy (new)? Bach 183 and complete the lineup? Who stocks (in South East) many types of Flugels where I could try some out?

Any advise appreciated...


The late great Warren Leuning played a Bach 183. Listen to the first cut on Patrick William's Sinatraland album and you'll hear him soloing on it. Warren was a mainstay in the LA Studio scene for some 40 years, a mentor to Wayne Bergeron and others. The trumpet section on that album consists of Rick Baptist, Warren Leuning (RIP), Wayne Bergeron, and George Graham (RIP). You won't regret getting the album.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:51 am    Post subject: flugel Reply with quote

Hi-I am also interested in the answers to this, and that noone has mentioned Schilke. Are they just not really considered?

(I don't have access to two thirds of the market to try the instruments I buy y because I live in a country that is dominated by Yamaha and Bach. We don't have Wild Things to try etc. My usual vendor is Lee at Chuck Levins. )
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: flugel Reply with quote

Linda wrote:
Hi-I am also interested in the answers to this, and that noone has mentioned Schilke. Are they just not really considered?


My theory is they are relatively new to the market. I have only seen one so far.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: flugel Reply with quote

Linda wrote:
Hi-I am also interested in the answers to this, and that noone has mentioned Schilke. Are they just not really considered?

(I don't have access to two thirds of the market to try the instruments I buy y because I live in a country that is dominated by Yamaha and Bach. We don't have Wild Things to try etc. My usual vendor is Lee at Chuck Levins. )
Linda


Linda,
The Schilke is a well made instrument; beautiful to look at and to hold. The sound is quite bright. It would be good, perhaps, in a BBB setting, but not so good for the dark sound we usually like in jazz.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:40 am    Post subject: Flugelhorn Selection Reply with quote

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Hi-I am also interested in the answers to this, and that noone has mentioned Schilke. Are they just not really considered?



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The Schilke is a well made instrument; beautiful to look at and to hold. The sound is quite bright. It would be good, perhaps, in a BBB setting, but not so good for the dark sound we usually like in jazz.



I've played 3-4 Schilke 1040 FL flugels over the years since they came out in, I think, 2013. Raw brass lacquered, silverplated etc. I've been quite happy with my lacquered Adams F5 all-copper bell as well as my Yamaha 631G...UNTIL 3 weeks ago when I ran in to another Schilke 1040FL in sliverplate. That was it! After about 5 minutes I KNEW I had to have this horn!!! My other two flugels, being VERY good horns, pale in comparison to this Schilke. It seems to play itself! In the past I haven't been to keen on the intonation on the Schilke but this one is spot on. Valves are great...has fantastic agility...VERY even from bottom to top with an upper register that's as solid as a rock. The sound is to die for.

Most of the time I agree with Brian's posts and enjoy reading them but I have to disagree this time...sorry Brian! I use Warburton flugel pieces and, since I do ALOT of flugel playing I use all 3 of the depths...an FLM, FL and FLX. I also use small diameters ...currently their "10" series. I usually use the FLM and FLX the most. When I plug in the FLX with the Schilke flug the sound is almost magical! VERY dark and it gives me that smokey sound that I look for when playing jazz. I work with a jazz trio and even the other 2 guys have commented how rich and warm sounding the horn is. The hardest thing that I've had to adjust to is the silverplating. I don't think I've played a sivler flugel since the early '70's when I was on the road and was playing a Getzen flug.

I'm VERY happy that I think I've found my "dream" flugelhorn. If you get a chance Linda try a Schilke...you might just like it! BTW...I've been talking to Lee from Chuck Levins over the past couple of weeks and he told me that he has a Schilke 1041 FL in raw brass in stock at a VERY good price. The 1041 FL is there newest model as it has an all-copper bell. Might be interesting! Good luck with your search.

Butch
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Butch-that is highly intriguing! I would like silver plate too. Though the raw brass must give a more direct tone. It is just dreadful and I have been moaning perhaps, a little too much, that in Australia we have zero distributor of Schilke nor any other brass instruments including Wild Thing or Couesnon or anything really, except Bach and Yamaha. Maybe Jupiter if we look really hard. Its very sporadic. There is no way you can go and try a number of different models of different manufacturers or with different finishes at all. You don't get to choose between much. So I have to take a punt largely based on what I read and the study I do (which is quite a bit). It seems to me that the Eclipse and the Wild Thing get consistently good ratings. I want a smokey sound, round and gentle, mellow and if possible not too heavy as I have had spinal surgery. I am dealing with Lee at the moment on a mouthpiece or two-the Schilke 14 and 14A4A which I can't get here of course. I might ask him about the flugel. Can't tell huaband....will just make little enquiries.....
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