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mcombo
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Sound Reflectors? Reply with quote

Does anyone have any recommendations for acoustic (non-electronic) sound reflectors? Any good or bad experiences? (These are for when you're playing with very loud amplified instruments/voices.)

I'm also going to try cotton balls in the ears.

Thanks in advance,
Mike
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try these, they will drop all spectrum of sound down 20 dB:

http://www.amazon.com/Etymotic-Research-High-Fidelity-Earplugs-White/dp/B0015WNZ9K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244841434&sr=8-3

Here is a link to the manufacture's website:

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx

I use them in a Funk/Soul band that gets really loud and they help me hear myself as well as cut the high volume.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: sound reflector Reply with quote

I purchased a Sound Back adjustable "monitor" from Dillon Music and think it works great. Works especially well when you're playing "acoustic" in a smaller venue and don't want to blast directly into the audience. The only drawback is that it is not a clip on - it fits on your mic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just FYI, a previous related thread:

http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76305&highlight=plexiglass

Personally, I don't use the plexi's as I use a clip on most of the time. We have a very good sound guy (who gives us a deal if we help set up/tear down) and depend on floor monitors.

My experience with ear plugs left me missing a lot of what was going on around me. I prefer a quiet stage, away from guitar amps, mains way in front etc. & a separate "horn" mix.

My best experience was with a 64 channel on stage monitor system, in addition to the 64 channel house board. We each got our own monitor & our own personal preferred mix. Can't beat that, but then again, I wasn't paying for it

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played in a funk band years ago, and we used plexiglass shields that had a hole in the center that our own mics fit through. Most of our sound was reflected back at us. We had a monitor as well, but only sometimes. One gig we played in front of 120,000 had "hired" sound, and we had to use their mics, which were too big to fit in the holes in the center of the plexiglass. We had two sets a few hours apart. The first set, we played much too loud, because we couldn't hear ourselves. The second set was the pre-fireworks set, with the big crowd, and our chops were shot. I highly recommend some way to reflect the sound back to yourself. It was one of the best learning experiences of my career.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my ears are bleeding just thinking about plexi-glass monitors. I loath playing with loud amplified instruments. You can't hear the right parts of your sound you need to hear to play well without a plexiglass monitor, but when you do, it's usually pretty abrasive on your ears.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Sound Reflectors? Reply with quote

mcombo wrote:
Does anyone have any recommendations for acoustic (non-electronic) sound reflectors? Any good or bad experiences? (These are for when you're playing with very loud amplified instruments/voices.)

I'm also going to try cotton balls in the ears.

Thanks in advance,
Mike


http://www.soundback.com/circleair.htm

I bought these and I think they are great! I bought these for our band for several reasons. One, all of the amp'd instruments really got way too loud despite all of our pleas. One trumpet player kept saying he couldn't hear himself, and he overblows like crazy. (Now the bogart doesn't use it!!!)

I also second using earplugs as well. I use Hearos high frequency model.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions. Part of the problem is that the horns aren't mic'd, so there's nothing to mount the plexiglass reflectors. It's the vocalist's monitors that are turned up to 11. It's so loud that the amped players can't even hear their axes.

Thanks for listening to me rant.

I'm going to try cotton balls. There's a passage in Roger Ingram's book where Bobby Shew recommended cotton balls, but Roger tried more expensive ear plugs, only to discover that the cotton balls worked better. Since I'm cheap, I'm going to go straight to cotton balls.

But I'm going to try the plexiglass reflectors (the Sound Back models look perfect) on my next mic'd gig.

Thanks again brothers and/or sisters.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used the Soundback, and as others have mentioned, it REALLY allows you to hear yourself in amplified situations. And it will help balance in smaller settings, so as not to part the hair of folks dancing or sitting near the stage. My current problem with one of my bands is the sound guy we have is, let's say, not always on top of things. Consequently, because I often have to throw something at him to get his attention when my mike needs a bit of a tweak upwards in volume, I don't use the Soundback with this particular band anymore. Instead of it being a useful tool for balance, it becomes an obstacle I have to overcome. Again, no fault of the product, it's this particular guy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Yamaha Silent Brass Reply with quote

This worked:

I bought a $12.00 lapel mic that I clipped onto my bell, and a $3.00 pair of earbuds that would still let in a suitable amount of ambient sound. I plugged these into my Yamaha Silent Brass. It worked very well.

Thanks for all the suggestions. When I play my next mic'ed gig, I'll buy the clear plastic sound reflectors.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I use both clip on mics and ones on the stand and I use a sound back for both.

Guys who need ear plugs will hurt you more than help you, including cotton. If you block out natural sound, your in trouble. If you have in ear monitors thats the way to go.

So, I use the soundback with an SM57 Beta and a Shure 98h Beta clip on wireless system. With the wireless, I take a mic stand and have custom made an attachment to a soundback to attach it to the stand. I never play with out it. I am also toying with the idea of hooking up an additional mic somehow and a set of earbuds from the board to hear what I'm playing. But what i have works well right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I play in an amplified setting, I've also been using a sound back reflector that fits around the mic on the mic stand. This works good as long as you play directly into it and don't move around too much.

I recently found some reflectors that attach directly to the bell. I'm thinking about trying one of these. Has anyone tried any of these? Here are some links:

https://www.hornmate.com/product/trumpet-flugel-bell-shield/

https://www.brass-innovations-germany.de/en-brass-parts-sonic-reflector-playing-the-trumpet.asp

https://www.cissuswinds.com/product-page/soundreturn-for-trumpet-black

http://olveramusic.com/en/trumpet-sound-reflector/3864-om-trumpet-sound-reflector.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These look very interesting. Do any of you have experience with these?

uglylips wrote:
When I play in an amplified setting, I've also been using a sound back reflector that fits around the mic on the mic stand. This works good as long as you play directly into it and don't move around too much.

I recently found some reflectors that attach directly to the bell. I'm thinking about trying one of these. Has anyone tried any of these? Here are some links:

https://www.hornmate.com/product/trumpet-flugel-bell-shield/

https://www.brass-innovations-germany.de/en-brass-parts-sonic-reflector-playing-the-trumpet.asp

https://www.cissuswinds.com/product-page/soundreturn-for-trumpet-black

http://olveramusic.com/en/trumpet-sound-reflector/3864-om-trumpet-sound-reflector.html

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a sound engineer, I hated these reflector gizmos. They seriously compromise the frequency response of the microphone, as is to be expected if you put a hard reflective surface so close to a microphone. Numerous deep notches in the frequency response are to be expected with these things. Any trumpet player using these things should understand that their sound is likely to be significantly degraded. They can really make you sound like &^%$@, in other words.

They they can also mess with the directional characteristics of the mic, leading to a greater likelihood of squealing sound-system feedback.

As a trumpet player, I just won't play in a band that's so loud that reflectors are needed for the trumpet players to hear themselves. Fortunately, I don't depend on playing the trumpet to support myself.
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